I agree that you should not bother the clergy. They are running the show, they are more knowledgeable that most of us, and they have all that is necessary to understand that they should not be excluding people because of what they think about the Pope. You don't have to be a genius to figure it out. It only takes a little humility.

When I said that they "need to hear it", it was not to be taken literally. I am not one inclined to lecture people above me.

On the topic, I go to the SSPX merely for convenience. I would go elsewhere, as long as the sacraments were valid.

Judging from the other posts that I've read, you seem to have a personality that tends to act. I am probably on the other side of the spectrum. So, we need to exercise the virtue of prudence.

As I see it, it is useless to talk to the clergy about their mistakes. Look what happened to the SSPX in 2012. They did not listen to Bp. Williamson. Do you really think that they would listen to us?

It's worked as God has intended it to work.  The fact that Traditionalism exists at all (even though fractured) is a miracle.  Every possible thing is against Traditionalism - new-rome, politics, culture, Trad infighting, lack of authority, and the devil himself- yet it persists.  That's the work of God.


Everyone has free will.  I've seen my family fall apart too, but they chose their path and God will let them choose it.  No amount of prayer will interfere with free will.  God will use your prayers to convert others and for the Church.


Certain things can only be fixed by God, and the Church is one of them.  So is society and culture.  And politics.  If these 4 things aren't catholic, then life is going to be hard.  No amount of fortitude, hard work, or "having enough" can repair such damage.


God is allowing some of this chaos for a long-term goal.  Part of humility is to accept our limits.  God appreciates your zeal but it must be balanced with prudence.

Sometimes, prudence does indeed mean "do nothing". The alternative is Pelagianism.

Yes, but it has to be the RIGHT people, who have the skills, authority, etc to do the specific job.  Not everyone has a calling (or skills) to fix everything.

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This is in contradiction to your earlier statements about "sitting on the sidelines and doing nothing".  What you describe above is not nothing.  It's everything.

For my personal situation I did do nothing for a very long time.

Prudence is the goal, but people come at it from different vices.

One side is overly cautious,  which is where I started, possibly I have gone too far the other way, but I am still a work in progress.  The other side is too rash. 

Outside of Traditionalism, I agree.  Inside of it, I don't agree.
There's nothing wrong with debating in your spare time.  Don't blame Trads (0.00001% of the population) for the problems of society (i.e. pagan/protestant culture).  Not fair.

I didn't say there was anything wrong with debating.   I do think that we have the responsibility to be good Catholic examples in all things.  Being a Melancholic, I am always trying for perfection and then I have high expectations of others, maybe too high.

Prudence means doing what you're supposed to do, and also realizing your limits, and what's beyond your control.

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Father Hewko, if unavailable, home-alone it.