Author Topic: Where have all the children gone? (Read 5630 times)

Ekim · « **Reply #15 on:** February 10, 2017, 06:44:15 AM »

Points well taken. However, this thread is not about Fatima, it's about "Where have all the children gone?"

The fact that the Fatima prophecy has been unfulfilled for 100 years leaves young Catholics doubtful at best.

Arvinger · « **Reply #16 on:** February 10, 2017, 06:57:48 AM »

Quote from: Ekim

The fact that the Fatima prophecy has been unfulfilled for 100 years leaves young Catholics doubtful at best.

How so? WW2 happened (second secret), great apostasy in the Church happened (third secret), the only thing missing is material chastisement and that can come anytime.

If young Catholics' faith can be shaken because there was no apocalyptic event yet, it means that their foundation of the faith was weak - thus, we need solid catechesis to help young generation to stay Catholic.

Ekim · « **Reply #17 on:** February 10, 2017, 07:59:16 AM »

Hard to have a "foundation " when everything and everyone calling themselves Catholic all contradict each other. Vatican II contradicts all of its predecessors. Francis the same. Novus Ordo and Tradition both claim to be heirs to the throne of Peter. +Fellay contradicts +Lefebvre, Sedes contradict Recognize and Resist, now we have "Resistance". Even apparitions prophecies, including Fatima, seem to drag on for centuries.

People I know who were raised in good Catholic families who were well catechised throw up their hands....and say enough is enough. I'm just going to follow my heart.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #18 on:** February 10, 2017, 08:18:28 AM »

Statistically, trad young adults are just as infected with 'the world' as any other young adult population. As atheism is growing, so a small % of trads will be infected with this and their Faith will become lax and they may stop going to church for a while. I've seen this more than a few times.

As the indult grows, a large % will leave tradition and attend this. At our chapel, we've lost about 70% of one generation to the indult. Young adults, who haven't read anything about V2 or the new mass, who only care about social media, get duped by the 'positive and happy' novus ordo-ites who think that "the latin mass is coming back! Everything's going to be rosy". Plus, the millenial generation cannot stand to be an "outsider" or "different", as they want to be "part of the group" just like on facebook. They compromise their faith because of human respect. ...Or they started dating novus ordo/indult catholics and didn't want to 'rock the boat' by trying to convert them to tradition. So they compromised and went to the indult, for love.

Then, there's the normal % of trads who have just given into a partying/fun life. They may still go to mass, but their faith is very weak. A good percentage of these will 'grow up' and become decent catholics at some point. But, some will not.

Finally, there are some who have kept the Faith, lived 'boring' lives, are looked at as 'old fashioned' and who have grown in virtue. These are small in number but they are a great example.

Really, aren't the above 4 categories consistant with the parable of the "Sower of the Seed"?

Brennus · « **Reply #19 on:** February 10, 2017, 08:21:35 AM »

Quote from: Ekim

Hard to have a "foundation " when everything and everyone calling themselves Catholic all contradict each other. Vatican II contradicts all of its predecessors. Francis the same. Novus Ordo and Tradition both claim to be heirs to the throne of Peter. +Fellay contradicts +Lefebvre, Sedes contradict Recognize and Resist, now we have "Resistance". Even apparitions prophecies, including Fatima, seem to drag on for centuries.

People I know who were raised in good Catholic families who were well catechised throw up their hands....and say enough is enough. I'm just going to follow my heart.

This is what is happening.

The way I see it, the "i'm going to follow my heart" discoveres the root of the problem. All this prophecy stuff is gobbled up because these people ALREADY are following their hearts, that is they are after emotional relief because they cannot cope with the squalor of their lives.

However -- again, this is how I see it -- that is no reason to abandon tradition because tradition is logical and, assuming on faith that its premises are true, it is sound. What needs to be done is we must focus more on earthly success.

I hear some screaming now so let me clarify that. By earthly, I don't mean worldly. I mean success here on earth doing God's will.

I think many trads are spiritually lazy and emotionally immature.