For the devil, there are many ways to skin the cat, so let's start putting together his methods for taking the young away from our chapels (the true faith LIVED), as I observed the last 20 +years in tradition. These are some ways mentioned so far, and my quick observations:

Hard to have a "foundation " when everything and everyone calling themselves Catholic all contradict each other.  Vatican II contradicts all of its predecessors.  Francis the same.  Novus Ordo and Tradition both claim to be heirs to the throne of Peter. +Fellay contradicts +Lefebvre, Sedes contradict Recognize and Resist, now we have "Resistance".  Even apparitions prophecies, including Fatima, seem to drag on for centuries.

People I know who were raised in good Catholic families who were well catechised throw up their hands....and say enough is enough.  I'm just going to follow my heart.

It is the parents fault. They didn't bother to seek truth and their children ill prepared, continue in the same path.

Statistically, trad young adults are just as infected with 'the world' as any other young adult population.  As atheism is growing, so a small % of trads will be infected with this and their Faith will become lax and they may stop going to church for a while.  I've seen this more than a few times.

As the indult grows, a large % will leave tradition and attend this.  At our chapel, we've lost about 70% of one generation to the indult.  Young adults, who haven't read anything about V2 or the new mass, who only care about social media, get duped by the 'positive and happy' novus ordo-ites who think that "the latin mass is coming back!  Everything's going to be rosy".  Plus, the millenial generation cannot stand to be an "outsider" or "different", as they want to be "part of the group" just like on facebook.  They compromise their faith because of human respect.  ...Or they started dating novus ordo/indult catholics and didn't want to 'rock the boat' by trying to convert them to tradition.  So they compromised and went to the indult, for love.

Then, there's the normal % of trads who have just given into a partying/fun life.  They may still go to mass, but their faith is very weak.  A good percentage of these will 'grow up' and become decent catholics at some point.  But, some will not.

Finally, there are some who have kept the Faith, lived 'boring' lives, are looked at as 'old fashioned' and who have grown in virtue.  These are small in number but they are a great example.

Really, aren't the above 4 categories consistant with the parable of the "Sower of the Seed"?

One more, giant reason they leave a chapel is for work in another town.

Here are some more reasons from my experience watching parents do it wrong, and I blame the parents for the children's loss of the faith (if they ever really received it)

- the parents themselves are lax examples in some area or in many; in clothing (immodesty), in the way they think girls can attract men, in bending the rules, in not paying attention to their children by just watching out for themselves (the parents could be very religious, but they pay no attention to their children). The family is like a fort to protect the family from the enemy, the world, the devil. Some trad families have forts with only three walls completed, the world can easily come and go inside as it pleases. Some families have four walls, however, they are too low, again the world can get in easily. Some parents have high thick strong walls, howver, they leave the gates open.

It takes a fort with high thick walls and the gates constantly manned and the leaders (the parents and the older children who were raised in the good fort) always on the alert and up to date of new techniques of the devil.

In my experience, scant few parents care or are prepared for the battle. Most trads are naive to the world (and lazy), just want their priest and SSPX schools to take care of their children.

Like I said above, a big reason the young people leave the chapels is to find work. The reason for this is that in the USA (that is where I live, though I was not born here) American parents are like snakes. They lay their eggs, and the children are left to fend for themselves to learn an occupation. Naturally, the children will leave the house and go find work out of town and then start a family and lay their own eggs, and the cycle will continue.

In Italy, Spain, and South America as examples (Catholic cultures) the father teaches his sons the business, and the sons stay with the family. The mothers teach the girls to cook and take care of the family, and do work the women can do, like the accounting for the family business. American parents let their children play, while they cook and work, never passing on any knowledge to their children, strictly letting the schools do it.

Like I said above, a big reason the young people leave the chapels is to find work. The reason for this is that in the USA (that is where I live, though I was not born here) American parents are like snakes. They lay their eggs, and the children are left to fend for themselves to learn an occupation. Naturally, the children will leave the house and go find work out of town and then start a family and lay their own eggs, and the cycle will continue.

In Italy, Spain, and South America as examples (Catholic cultures) the father teaches his sons the business, and the sons stay with the family. The mothers teach the girls to cook and take care of the family, and do work the women can do, like the accounting for the family business. American parents let their children play, while they cook and work, never passing on any knowledge to their children, strictly letting the schools do it.

This is a false (romantic) image of Italy and I suspect Spain. Italy has very little left of the old ways and their situation is probably far worse than the US.  The unemployment is disastrous and skills are fast being lost or are already lost. The ignorance of the Faith in Italy is appalling. It is largely a sentimental luxury to be indulged in in certain events, like Baptisms and Confirmations which are celebrated in a most secular way. Besides the Italians rarely have more than one (spoilt) child. Just compare fertilty rates: Italy - 1.43 births/woman; Spain 1.32; USA - 2.06.

Quote from: Last Tradhican

Like I said above, a big reason the young people leave the chapels is to find work. The reason for this is that in the USA (that is where I live, though I was not born here) American parents are like snakes. They lay their eggs, and the children are left to fend for themselves to learn an occupation. Naturally, the children will leave the house and go find work out of town and then start a family and lay their own eggs, and the cycle will continue.

In Italy, Spain, and South America as examples (Catholic cultures) the father teaches his sons the business, and the sons stay with the family. The mothers teach the girls to cook and take care of the family, and do work the women can do, like the accounting for the family business. American parents let their children play, while they cook and work, never passing on any knowledge to their children, strictly letting the schools do it.

This is a false (romantic) image of Italy and I suspect Spain.

Nevertheless, it is the traditional historical way parents prepared children to best provide for themselves , whether they do it or not today in Italy.

Quote from: Pax Vobis

Statistically, trad young adults are just as infected with 'the world' as any other young adult population.  As atheism is growing, so a small % of trads will be infected with this and their Faith will become lax and they may stop going to church for a while.  I've seen this more than a few times.

As the indult grows, a large % will leave tradition and attend this.  At our chapel, we've lost about 70% of one generation to the indult.  Young adults, who haven't read anything about V2 or the new mass, who only care about social media, get duped by the 'positive and happy' novus ordo-ites who think that "the latin mass is coming back!  Everything's going to be rosy".  Plus, the millenial generation cannot stand to be an "outsider" or "different", as they want to be "part of the group" just like on facebook.  They compromise their faith because of human respect.  ...Or they started dating novus ordo/indult catholics and didn't want to 'rock the boat' by trying to convert them to tradition.  So they compromised and went to the indult, for love.

Then, there's the normal % of trads who have just given into a partying/fun life.  They may still go to mass, but their faith is very weak.  A good percentage of these will 'grow up' and become decent catholics at some point.  But, some will not.

Finally, there are some who have kept the Faith, lived 'boring' lives, are looked at as 'old fashioned' and who have grown in virtue.  These are small in number but they are a great example.

Really, aren't the above 4 categories consistant with the parable of the "Sower of the Seed"?

I think Pax Vobis is largely correct. The siren call of the world and the allure of the flesh and having fun will take a good number of trad children.

Fo sho

Obviously we don't know the mind of God but at a physical and human level it will be a very slow  way back to reorganising society here in Ireland. People say we are 10 or 15 years behind the United States in all that is wrong in society.

 In Ireland there maybe political fallout from a brewing scandal. 'Google' Maurice McCabe. Our people are not the same people as even ten years ago.

Groups have to remember this when organising. I doubt there will be resignations but the fact is these treasonous politicians should never have been elected.

Their election is proof of the rot. One politician is a lesbian from the United States, who became a Minister for Children. A leading abortion campaign.

Good people are outraged how this man Maurice McCabe and his family was treated. Having said this I don't believe there will be resignations. For those that vote I am not convinced it is an issue people vote about.

A difficult road ahead for the Irish. I still believe it will be small groups of Catholics, who will hold out.

This lesbian politician, a useful pawn is now the one being dumped by the so called Irish government. She was influential in getting 'same sex marriage' and the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs in Ireland can adopt children. No longer needed she is the 'fall guy' in this current political scandal. A Garda/Policeman was smeared for doing his duty.

I am convinced more than ever the 'devil is in Leinster House'. A man we all know calls the so called Irish parliament the devils house.  

This Children's Minister "married to her lesbian partner" is a leading abortion campaigner. A positive and plus to pro-life lobby is the enemy are divided but there is quite a fight ahead.

Louth Pro Life talk and training on "How to argue the case for the Pro Life Amendment" with Sarah Ekada, Paddy Manning and Michael Dwyer of Family & Life

An upcoming talk here in Ireland. Changing times in Catholic Ireland with a non Catholic non Irish coloured girl and a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ man are training us on how to argue the case for life.

The ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ man has taken flak for his stance but is one of these conservative friends of Israel types. He was a leader in the campaign against ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ 'marriage.

The coloured girl seems devout in her faith. She is some class of protestant but has had no hand in the fighting for our people.

Many in private believe this referendum will be lost. There seems to be no plan to block a referendum.

Where are our own youth? We shouldn't need this coloured girl to argue on our behalf. The pro-life lobby, who keep themselves on a reservation are in for a battle.

The Irish people are not the same people as even ten years ago. Getting a councillor at local level would be a start for these pro life groups. It would give the necessary street credibility towards the winning of electoral power. They need a little power now.

The election of Trump and the Brexit in UK has given people hope.  If the parents haven't the faith as most Irish folk don't they can't pass on the faith to children.

In the coming weeks teachers are cancelling classes so their students can support pro abortion demonstrations yet many pro life groups still bring in the Novus Ordo Bishops as speakers at their meetings.

Many are already saying we will miss Ireland when she is gone. All this was unheard of in our forefathers day. I am inclined to believe pro-life will lose and constitutional protection of unborn will be removed.

Statistically, trad young adults are just as infected with 'the world' as any other young adult population.  As atheism is growing, so a small % of trads will be infected with this and their Faith will become lax and they may stop going to church for a while.  I've seen this more than a few times.

As the indult grows, a large % will leave tradition and attend this.  At our chapel, we've lost about 70% of one generation to the indult.  Young adults, who haven't read anything about V2 or the new mass, who only care about social media, get duped by the 'positive and happy' novus ordo-ites who think that "the latin mass is coming back!  Everything's going to be rosy".  Plus, the millenial generation cannot stand to be an "outsider" or "different", as they want to be "part of the group" just like on facebook.  They compromise their faith because of human respect.  ...Or they started dating novus ordo/indult catholics and didn't want to 'rock the boat' by trying to convert them to tradition.  So they compromised and went to the indult, for love.

Then, there's the normal % of trads who have just given into a partying/fun life.  They may still go to mass, but their faith is very weak.  A good percentage of these will 'grow up' and become decent catholics at some point.  But, some will not.

Finally, there are some who have kept the Faith, lived 'boring' lives, are looked at as 'old fashioned' and who have grown in virtue.  These are small in number but they are a great example.

Really, aren't the above 4 categories consistant with the parable of the "Sower of the Seed"?

 :applause: