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Whats the deal with the TFP?
« on: February 23, 2012, 01:17:53 AM »
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  • If someone met you at church and brought up the TFP, what would you tell the person about them?

    Most people react -- "Oh, THAT group..." but I forgot what exactly was fishy about them.
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    Offline Telesphorus

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    Whats the deal with the TFP?
    « Reply #1 on: February 23, 2012, 02:12:51 AM »
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  • Putting out good information doesn't necessarily make an organization good.

    From what I recall, the founder of TFP has been accused of madness, and the group has been said to be cultish.


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    Whats the deal with the TFP?
    « Reply #2 on: February 23, 2012, 09:33:16 AM »
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  • I am afraid my response would be, "Who?"
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    Whats the deal with the TFP?
    « Reply #3 on: February 23, 2012, 12:10:34 PM »
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  • What's TFP?

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    Whats the deal with the TFP?
    « Reply #4 on: February 23, 2012, 12:12:09 PM »
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  • Okay, I did a search on this and found this post a few years ago:

    America Needs Fatima/TFP, A cult?


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    Whats the deal with the TFP?
    « Reply #5 on: February 23, 2012, 01:09:00 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    If someone met you at church and brought up the TFP, what would you tell the person about them?

    Most people react -- "Oh, THAT group..." but I forgot what exactly was fishy about them.


    They reject today's egalitarianism and embrace traditional elites. This is, of course, extreme heresy to those conformed to this world. I recently read Plinio Correa de Oliveira's seminal book, Revolution and Counter-Revolution. It's a must-read, available at Amazon or for free here:

    Revolution and Counter-Revolution


    This is also on my list:

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    Whats the deal with the TFP?
    « Reply #6 on: February 23, 2012, 01:18:31 PM »
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  • To be clearer, Plinio and the TFP embrace the traditional Catholic view of reality as hierarchical. To cut off the head is thus to kill the body.

    In R & C-R, he traces the erasure of this reality to the Revolution - one revolution - which consists of these stages: 1) the pseudo-Reformation, 2) the pseudo-Enlightenment and the French Revolution, 3) Communism. With the 1976 and 1993 additions to the book, he speculates whether we're now in the fourth phase, tribalism. Fascinating reading.

    Matthew, this is a counter-revolutionary site. As you're its father, I think you'll like that book a whole lot.
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    Whats the deal with the TFP?
    « Reply #7 on: February 23, 2012, 03:01:34 PM »
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  • So what connections do they have to Catholicism? If they recognize a hierarchical structure of government, yet stop short of recognizing Christ as the head of all, is it worth supporting? I wonder if this is similar to the French movement Raoul76 keeps speaking of, Action Française...


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    Whats the deal with the TFP?
    « Reply #8 on: February 24, 2012, 03:05:16 AM »
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  • I know some member of this group(men who dedicate there lives to the group) and have contact with some supporters (people who are not official members but help in there areas) so I will tell you a little of what I know.

    The TFP was founded by Professor Pilinio.  He originally was involved in politics in Brazil and even was elected to the Brazilian Senate.  He was the editor for a Catholic newspaper in Brazil called Leginario until he wrote a book called In Defense of Catholic Action where he criticized the group for many liberal tendencies.  After that he was sort of shunned and had few followers.  When Castro de Mayer was made Bishop he picked Prof. Plinio to edit his newspaper for the diocese El Cathlicismo (the name may be misspelled as I do not speak Portugese).  Being in the graces of the Bishop he founded the group TFP which stands for Tradition Family and Property since there are things the Communists all fight against, so to fight Communism you have to support these three things (at least that is there motto).

    The above everyone who knows about the TFP will agree with.  However after the consecration of the Bishops by the SSPX and Castro de Mayer there was a rift between the TFP and Castro de Mayer and the SSPX.  After this I have heard many different stories about why these groups began to not like each other.  During this process they were labeled as a cult, but I have seen nothing cultish about the group from my experience.  

    There are also some splinter groups from the TFP: Heralds of the Gospel and Tradition in Action.


    The people I know from the TFP are about as traditional as any Latin Mass goers in my area.

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    Whats the deal with the TFP?
    « Reply #9 on: February 25, 2012, 09:59:32 AM »
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  • They have their own saints. They call the mother of the founder a "saint" and even call her "Saint (can't remember her name now.)" They take good men, and tell them they have a vocation, and don't lead them to any vocations since they don't have any "order," basically making these strong, young men, slaves to them, and threaten then if they leave. It's kind of an "Opus Dei" of traditional Catholicism. Stay away from it. IOW, a cult.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    Whats the deal with the TFP?
    « Reply #10 on: January 04, 2014, 05:17:54 PM »
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  • TFP was founded by Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira, a layman, Brazilian, Catholic intellectual and professor. Corrêa de Oliveira organized the Cœtus Internationalis Patrum, which was the biggest orthodox faction at Vatican II (~70 bishops), whose famous members included Abp. Lefebvre, Bp. Castro Mayer, Card. Ottaviani, et al. He also helped write and distribute many pamphlets the Cœtus sent to all the Vatican II fathers.

    Corrêa de Oliveira's famous works are Revolution & Counter-Revolution (which is a sort of "TFP manifesto") and Nobility and Analogous Traditional Elites in the Allocutions of Pius XII: A theme illuminating American social history.
    TFP also promotes their excellent Defending a Higher Law: Why we must resist same-sex "marriage" and the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ movement.
    (All the above-linked books are freely downloadable.)

    De Mattei wrote a biography of Corrêa de Oliveira: The Crusader of the 20th Century: Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira (with a preface by Card. Stickler)

    The Institute of Christ the King is a big supporter of TFP.

    TFP Student Action does a lot of very good work on college campuses.
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    Whats the deal with the TFP?
    « Reply #11 on: January 04, 2014, 05:53:00 PM »
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  • None of the smears against TFP cited or linked to on this thread are true.

    Biggest knock against TFP is that they're FSSP aligned and not friendly towards SSPX and similar groups.

    There was a splinter group in Brazil that went crazy, but this group (The Heralds) and the Brazilian TFP are actually engaged in mutual lawsuits to claim the TFP name, logos, property, etc. (not unlike when The Nine split off from the SSPX).

    St. Louis De Montfort Academy in Herndon, PA is an excellent boarding school for boys; the one knock being that there's a slightly immature tendency to "play soldier" and dress up in medieval garb.

    That's really the worst of TFP ... rest is just not true.

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    Whats the deal with the TFP?
    « Reply #12 on: January 04, 2014, 06:00:08 PM »
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  • Quote from: parentsfortruth
    They have their own saints. They call the mother of the founder a "saint" and even call her "Saint (can't remember her name now.)" They take good men, and tell them they have a vocation, and don't lead them to any vocations since they don't have any "order," basically making these strong, young men, slaves to them, and threaten then if they leave. It's kind of an "Opus Dei" of traditional Catholicism. Stay away from it. IOW, a cult.


    PFT, none of what you said about TFP (lol, playing on reversing the letters) is actually true; it's disinfo spread by groups hostile to TFP (some of it started with The Heralds groups in Brazil that's been engaged in a lawsuit trying to take TFP Brazil property, logos, etc.)  I've known many high ranking members of the American TFP.  I've known many parents who sent their kids to St. Louis De Montfort, parents who weren't TFP members themselves, who indicated that these allgations are false.

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    Whats the deal with the TFP?
    « Reply #13 on: January 05, 2014, 11:50:00 AM »
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  • Father Bolduc was familiar with the TFP and had warned us about them. If you listen to this interview with Dom Thomas Aquinas, he mentions the TFP also.

    Respectfully, I'm going to believe Father Bolduc, and Dom Thomas Aquinas.

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/embed/lXmdzowXvAE?feature=player_detailpage[/youtube]

    He was going to join De Castro Meyer, but because the TFP "had some problems" he didn't join them and joined Archbishop Lefevbre instead.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    Whats the deal with the TFP?
    « Reply #14 on: January 05, 2014, 12:03:18 PM »
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  • He also said that privately De Castro Meyer called them a "cult." So I'm going to go with his suspicions, as evidenced by what he said, and what Father Bolduc warned us about, as well as a couple people that had close dealings with them, including one man who had a vocation, but due to the anti-clerical attitude of the TFP, he ended up basically being one of their slaves and being too old to join an order once he woke up and figured out what their real agenda is.

    Young men that have a vocation, beware of the TFP.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,