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If Archbishop Lefebvre were alive today what would he think of Bergoglio?

Stay the course and continue the R&R position.
Embrace the Fr. Chazal position. (He may have already held a similar position)
Publicly announce that the See of Rome is vacant.
Other.
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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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What would Archbishop Lefebvre do?
« on: January 06, 2023, 10:19:35 AM »
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    • If Archbishop Lefebvre were alive today what would he think of Bergoglio?
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    Offline Meg

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    Re: What would Archbishop Lefebvre do?
    « Reply #1 on: January 06, 2023, 10:24:40 AM »
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    • We can't know what +ABL would have thought. We can only go by what his words and actions said while he was alive. 
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    Re: What would Archbishop Lefebvre do?
    « Reply #2 on: January 06, 2023, 10:31:07 AM »
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    • The 2nd option is interesting, insofar as it suggests Fr. Chazal’s position is at odds with +Lefebvre’s (whereas Lad’s approach has been to argue that  Chazal’s position was actually the “real rr of +Lefebvre,” while the rest of us have deviated from it somehow.
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    Re: What would Archbishop Lefebvre do?
    « Reply #3 on: January 06, 2023, 10:57:24 AM »
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    • I chose option #2 because I believe that Father Chazal's position best represents the spirit of charity and humility that Archbishop Lefebvre was known for...

    I doubt that the Archbishop would ever have officially proclaimed himself a sede even if he privately held the opinion.

    That being said...  I think he would likely have given up any sort of effort to "reconcile with Rome" after seeing Bergoglio, and actually probably even with Ratzinger as the latter was the one whose inability to come to a good compromise triggered him to consecrate the four bishops in the 80's.
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    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: What would Archbishop Lefebvre do?
    « Reply #4 on: January 06, 2023, 10:57:43 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 06, 2023, 10:31:07 AM
    The 2nd option is interesting, insofar as it suggests Fr. Chazal’s position is at odds with +Lefebvre’s (whereas Lad’s approach has been to argue that  Chazal’s position was actually the “real rr of +Lefebvre,” while the rest of us have deviated from it somehow.

    Actually, I envisioned that a similar observation would be made and that’s why I added this: “He may have already held a similar position”
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    Re: What would Archbishop Lefebvre do?
    « Reply #5 on: January 06, 2023, 09:40:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on January 06, 2023, 10:57:43 AM
    Actually, I envisioned that a similar observation would be made and that’s why I added this: “He may have already held a similar position”
    That was what I thought you probably meant by it.  :cowboy:
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