Dimond brothers??? Maybe that's why the person thumbed down. I would not trust any direct quote from them without checking it out for myself.

No, there were people mentioned (Fr. Jenkins for example) who believe that private prayer after death was allowed by the Church. Didn't you think this was okay at one time?  Granted, there were others who literally said they were among the Faithful Departed which is a different story (Taylor Marshall), but some just said to pray.

That being said, I see no problem with praying for her soul private.

He what??! You've got to be kidding me?! I'd say the probability of that woman's being in hell is so high you would need to know higher math to understand the terms of how to explain that number, and I'm not good at higher math.

PV I couldn't properly quote your reply so I did this to respond to your response of mine.

I'll only address the more pertinent stuff.  Yours will be in the red you replied with and mine will be in black.

What of the millions upon millions of savages, surely billions, who lived and died over the Centuries worlds away from civilization, let alone the Catholic Church. Did God create these souls for damnation? Is it not possible for the God who established the sacrament of Baptism as the ordinary means of justification to dispense with it in cases of invincible ignorance (for example) and use an extraordinary means of acting directly on the soul? Are so many learned and saintly men of the Church so mistaken?

This often gets brought up but we must think that God is not a respecter of persons and owes Salvation to no one.  He instilled the Natural Law in all men and to those who followed this He would enlighten of the truth if they were deserted/in the middle of nowhere etc.  He is the master of time and space and can and has sent missionaries to those people of good will (the Blackfoot Indians for instance.)  Many of those pagan tribes and such did not follow the Natural Law and to those he let live in (and die) in their sins.  The Saints knew EENS Dogma but their work is often misquoted and abused by people so they can have support for their EENS denying positions.  The few who even remotely thought of a possibility of those only applied it to formal Catechumens or those who knew of The Trinity and The Incarnation but not to pagans who never heard of Christ, if they didn't hear about Christ it was due to their own fault, ie not living according to the Natural Law.  Furthermore, a Catechumen didn't necessarily mean that they weren't Baptized but that goes into a different topic so I'll cease there. 


I pray for the souls in Purgatory often as I know prayer will benefit them and those that are still breathing that are outside The Church so that they can convert before they die. And how can you be certain that they did not?

Because if they did there would be some manifestation of it somewhere in the External Forum.  If we do not have this information we are to assume they died as they lived.  That not only makes the most sense but it is the more careful way to look at the situation without being an EENS denier but more importantly Pope Gregory XVI stated as such in the video.


What is left of the Church if we go affirming that all these Fathers, Doctors, saints, spiritual authors, theologians and jurists did not understand such a simple concept? That our reading of the Council of Trent is right and theirs is wrong? Look at the names, and look at what they wrote: Ambrose, Augustine, Aquinas, Liguori, CIC 1917, Pope Innocent III, Pope St Pius V, Bellarmine, The Roman Martyrology, Pius IX, Tanquerey, Prummer, O'Connell, Herve, Vermeersch... add to that the Coucil of Trent itself as understood not only by me, but by these theologians, and the Catechism of the Council of Trent which is absolutely explicit. These aren't denying the dogma EENS, how utterly absurd that would be. They are, rather, telling you how to understand what it means to be in the Church, not in appearance only, but in reality. As St Robert Bellarmine tells us, it works the other way as well, some appear to be in, but they are not.

Those names quoted are often misrepresented, misquoted, or taken out of context or just outright twisted to fit an agenda.  I'll concede that I don't believe at this time that those who believe in an Explicit "BOD" (ie those who believe in The Trinity and The Incarnation and are Formal Catechumens) are heretics and I think the matter will be decided in the future.  Like Dimonds pointed out in the video, and what some of us that have been researching this stuff for a long time know is that the problems started about a century or more before V2 and the ground was fertile for these EENS denying ideas to creep up and manifest themselves. 

If you have the time listen to the debate between "Bro." Peter and Pinesap because it covers a lot of these issues and in a better more thorough way and I'm bad at explaining myself sometimes.

I do thank you for your civility in your reply.  Often times I get called all sorts of names after making comments like I did.