Wasn’t Vatican II supposed to be an actual, good collaboration of priests and bishops who had real solid solutions to modernism?  Isn’t it the story that much was being brought to the table, but it was all shelved?  Steamrolled over?

I cannot find any sources this afternoon on what V2 was SUPPOSED to be.

No.  It was never supposed to be that.  Some tried to spin it that way, but the intent was to destroy the Church right out of the gate.

I may disagree, Ladislaus.  I just found the original agenda of Vatican II:

https://catholicebooks.wordpress.com/2017/10/11/online-texts-the-original-schemas-drafts-of-vatican-ii/

Ladislaus can speak for himself, but I believe he meant that John XXIII never had any intention of the prepared orthodox texts seeing the light of day in the council.

Ladislaus can speak for himself, but I believe he meant that John XXIII never had any intention of the prepared orthodox texts seeing the light of day in the council.

Right.  I recall some pretty solid evidence that John XXIII was very much in favor of pitching the preparatory texts.  But I go farther.  I believe that Roncalli was an agent, an infiltrator, who was consciously intent upon destroying the Church.

Roncalli called for preparatory texts so that he and the Modernists could see what the orthodox Cardinals wanted the council to say.  That gave the Modernists time to prepare "alternative" versions with "quasi-heretical" changes/deletions.  When the council votes happened, the orthodox texts were voted upon but with "updates" added by the Modernists.  Such things happened so fast (because the Modernists were prepared) that the orthodox Cardinals would ask for time to "read the new texts".  They were often given a few hours (not enough time to digest the ambiguous/crafty language).  Those that hesitated to approve, were pressured and finally the final texts were passed.

The Modernists had a game plan and followed it much like our politicians run the legislative circus to get bills passed when they want to.

This tactic was not unlike when a US Budget Committee dumps a 3,000 page budget on all the Congressmen and then insist that a vote be held 2 hours after distributing it to them.  There's no time to study it or think through it at all.

Exactly.

Laramie, read the book "The Rhine flows into the Tiber".  It was written by a famous journalist (American?) who covered V2.  He explained how the Conservatives were not ready for the organization, political tactics, and lies that the liberals used to get V2 docuмents approved.  It's fascinating (on a natural level) even while it's shocking/depressing (on a spiritual level).

Yes, Tisserant, Liernart, and Frings were the leading rogues who on the first day set up pitching out the preparatory schemas.  It's ironic that Lienart had ordained and consecrated Archbishop Lefebvre, the greatest future adversary of their Modernist agenda.  I'm pretty sure that in the book, it becamse clear Roncalli backed the Rhine group regarding throwing out the schemas and I vaguely recall some of his statements to that effect ... but it's been many years.

Yes, the author was American priest Father Ralph Wiltgen.

Even those docuмents teach collegiality.

Never took the plunge and bought the docuмents myself. I remember seeing them available for purchase online in English for quite a price.

Anyone read them and able/willing to summarize?