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Offline ByzCat3000

Re: Question for SSPX Resistance and similar independent types
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2019, 07:45:26 PM »
Quote from: MiserereMei on September 22, 2019, 07:41:56 PM
It might sound simplistic, but if God works the miracle of Francis' conversion then there's no need to elect a new pope to restore all things in Christ.
I suppose this is fair, which would put the SSPX Resistance as *practically* Sedeprivationist, but both would differ from a pure Sedevacantist in this regard.  
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Offline ByzCat3000

Re: Question for SSPX Resistance and similar independent types
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2019, 07:47:19 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on September 22, 2019, 06:42:46 PM
Great question, Byzcat.  (Just ignore Meg...she enjoys arguing and name-calling and thinks that's an actual form of conversation.)
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Practically, you are correct, generally speaking, in that this question doesn't change anything...or should I say, it SHOULDN'T change anything in the daily life of catholics.  We still all have to save our souls, still need to say the rosary, to practice charity and do our daily duties.  ...So, really, the question and debate is theoretical.  A heretic pope has the same outcome as there being no pope - the lack of leadership from rome is absent either way.  We're all on our own to save our souls either way.
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However, it does matter specifically, because in the real world, even those who agree with the Resistance or who don't care about the topic of sedevacantism at all, have to find masses to attend.  And oftentimes "resistance" Trads have to go to "sede" chapels because that's the only option.  And vice versa.  And most clerics take this THEORETICAL debate and make it a PRACTICAL issue, because they constantly preach about it (and some even refuse sacraments to those who are on "the other side").  It's quite childish, uncharitable and totally at odds with the reason they became clerics to being with.  So in this sense, the question is unavoidable, because clerics on "both sides" are obsessed with the question to a degree that is unhealthy.  The devil has done a great job to split up Tradition by way of this question; a question that should be a fun theoretical and historical exercise but has turned into an Inquisition-level, Hatfields vs McCoys bloody mess.
I realize at a certain level it doesn't matter much to *individuals* either way, but, for instance, it does seem that the indult or regular SSPX [or Neo-SSPX if you prefer that], while certainly not an ultramontanist "just believe whatever the Pope says", believes that Francis is in fact the Pope *and acts in a manner that accords with that belief.*  Whereas I'm not sure in what meaningful way the SSPX Resistance acts as though the see is vacant, and thus seems meaningfully no different from sedeprivationism in terms of actual action (I grant the difference with pure sedevacantism that MM pointed out.)
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Offline Incredulous

Re: Question for SSPX Resistance and similar independent types
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2019, 07:50:47 PM »

Alas, Our Lord has allowed for a non-canonically elected, Pope to sit on the visible Seat, to function as a "destroyer".
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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Question for SSPX Resistance and similar independent types
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2019, 08:39:57 PM »
Quote from: Incredulous on September 22, 2019, 07:50:47 PM
Alas, Our Lord has allowed for a non-canonically elected, Pope to sit on the visible Seat, to function as a "destroyer".
Señor "Jesus Made Himself the Devil" Bergoglio "subsists in" the Chair of Peter.
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