An old friend of mine -- a traditional Catholic, mind you -- got married exactly 2 years ago. I am morally certain that his wife is/was Novus Ordo. He now has a 22 month old son and a 6 month old daughter. Both children were baptized at least 3 months after their births.

Prayers requested for him and his family, and for myself that I don't look down on my old buddy too much, who seems to be totally infected with Novus Ordo influence. It is sad, and highlights just how dangerous the  touchy-feely, sentimental Novus Ordo religion can be.

What is interesting is that this friend of mine was practically *notorious* for his piety! He was the most pious man I knew. How sad.

As Bishop Williamson would say, "Kyrie Eleison!"

Matthew

My belief is as the Church teaches, if you die in Sanctifying grace you will be saved.  Novus/O or  Protestant, which the two have currently merged.  

Simple and straight forward!  

Breeds indifferentism, syncretism and universal salvation....

Yes, just asking a few questions usually reveals that Novus Ordites are CINO.

Be careful with your use of "CINO"--Classiccom may have it copyrighted! :smoke-pot:

Sorry--I couldn't resist :cheers:

In all seriousness, I can give a rough idea of what the N.O. does to a person.  I mainly attend Motu now, but an N.O. parish is my only practical option for Catholicism.  That being said, I am VERY harsh on the N.O. and clearly see many of its ills (though I have learned even more here).

The N.O. relaxes away from the discipline necessary to live in the dignity properly becoming of a CATHOLIC (i.e., making a complete JOKE of fasting and abstinence laws); leads to neglect of prayer and devotion (First Friday, Stations of the Cross, Rosary, grace for meals, good strong traditional prayers all but forgotten and not learned by those born post-Conciliar--I am just now learning many of these myself, including Hail Holy Queen, St. Michael, etc.)

Now that I am more fully embracing tradition and imposing traditional practices and observances upon myself, I can truly see a personal impact in my life.  Living as a full CATHOLIC amid the N.O. is my cross to bear, and the burden has been undeservedly  lessened somewhat by my now being in a conservative N.O. with the TLM and where tradition is observed and encouraged to a great extent. I say undeserved because I previously cussed, cursed, blasphemed, and fell from grace over the N.O. and the void of tradition, and because it was "too hard" for me to live as the CATHOLIC I desired to be with the lack of support (no others doing so, no authority saying I had to, etc).

It has indeed been my experience that, as stated, the N.O. breeds indifferentism.  I have otherwise found what has been said thus far to be true.  In myself, there was a craving for this greater fullness.  I had an opportunity to learn some tradition and know that's where the Church had been (and I believe will return).  I can only suspect that the young folks (40 and all the way down) who have left and are leaving for protestantism have a similar craving without the grounding in the fullness of the Church that I had.  Thus, the N.O. is failing many souls.  But I have not seen any logical explanation, nor any miraulous revelation, that the Apostolic chain is anywhere but there.

Flood back into the N.O., raise hell, make mammoth waves, and DEMAND the fullness of what you bought into as converts to Catholicism and your birthright as cradle Catholics!  If doctrine is wrong, make them squirm like a worm until they are squished or have wiggled back into place!  Yes, God COULD give us a Pope from elsewhere, but that's not what He has promised in Scripture and Tradition!

To return to the original post, though, we're talking about someone who had the complete traditional Catholic Faith and LATER starting being more lax toward the N.O. for various reasons, including marriage (some guys can't stay single forever; it's too hard for them)

Matthew

Matthew,

What specific effects have you noticed so far?

Matthew,

What specific effects have you noticed so far?

Re-read the OP (original post) and you'll find 2 things "wrong with this picture".

It's not that I don't see moral and other problems in people all around me, it just shocks me when it happens to a solid Traditional Catholic. But this particular Trad. Catholic cozied up a bit too close to the Novus Ordo, which I believe is part of the problem.

Matthew

The N.O. relaxes away from the discipline necessary to live in the dignity properly becoming of a CATHOLIC (i.e., making a complete JOKE of fasting and abstinence laws); leads to neglect of prayer and devotion (First Friday, Stations of the Cross, Rosary, grace for meals, good strong traditional prayers all but forgotten and not learned by those born post-Conciliar--I am just now learning many of these myself, including Hail Holy Queen, St. Michael, etc.)

It has indeed been my experience that, as stated, the N.O. breeds indifferentism.  I have otherwise found what has been said thus far to be true.

Yes, but as well as the lack of fundamental Catholic practices which are helps to salvation; the beliefs of most Novus Ordites are not Catholic.

If you were to sit down with a basic catechism and ask most Novus Ordites the questions, how many of them would have the basics wrong, and vehemently disagree with doctrines?

Try raising Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus, or communicatio in sacris with Novus Ordites. Many don't believe in transubstantiation either.