Author Topic: What the Novus Ordo does to you (Read 3435 times)

Cheryl · « **Reply #15 on:** October 06, 2010, 07:38:22 AM »

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...talking about someone who had the complete traditional Catholic Faith and LATER starting being more lax toward the N.O. for various ....

The Trans Alpine Redemptorists have been saying on their website that the ecuмenical event in Westminster Abbey was fine.

RC, don't know if you read Traditio or not, but there have been a few items about the TAR's going N.O. Many of the SSPX benefactors of the group are asking for their donations back, only to be told that the donations are non-refundable because they were gifts to God. The SSPX benefactors are upset because they say that the Redemptorists defrauded them by not telling them that the monks were going N.O. I don't blame the generous benefactors for being upset.

Belloc · « **Reply #16 on:** October 06, 2010, 07:59:06 AM »

Traditio-same as the odious Tradition in Action group??

Cheryl · « **Reply #17 on:** October 06, 2010, 08:37:47 AM »

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Traditio-same as the odious Tradition in Action group??

Oh goodness no! http://www.traditio.com/

If you decide to go there, you click on commentary of the fathers, then the month of October. The items I referred to are listed within the past week. I'm hesitant to mention them here, as I know that Matthew doesn't like them because they don't always treat the SSPX fairly or with respect. What I do like about the commentaries when they are news items, they quote their source.

CathMomof7 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 06, 2010, 08:54:33 AM »

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An old friend of mine -- a traditional Catholic, mind you -- got married exactly 2 years ago. I am morally certain that his wife is/was Novus Ordo. He now has a 22 month old son and a 6 month old daughter. Both children were baptized at least 3 months after their births.

Prayers requested for him and his family, and for myself that I don't look down on my old buddy too much, who seems to be totally infected with Novus Ordo influence. It is sad, and highlights just how dangerous the touchy-feely, sentimental Novus Ordo religion can be.

What is interesting is that this friend of mine was practically *notorious* for his piety! He was the most pious man I knew. How sad.

As Bishop Williamson would say, "Kyrie Eleison!"

Matthew

Matthew,

I will keep your friend in my prayers. We are new to tradition, as you know, and I worry some about the future of our children and their marriages, should they be so called to this vocation, particularly our oldest.

Traditional Catholics are a small minority and, from my experience, many traditional catholics that are "approved" by the Church are missing many Truths, including fortitude. (I do not mean to be critical) Therefore, it can be quite hard for a young person to find a suitable spouse. What then is one to do?

I suspect my son will eventually find a young girl (as he feels strongly at this point about marrying) who is non-Catholic but very conservative. He will then persuade her to convert to traditional Catholicism. In many ways, this may be preferable to NO Catholics. Unless one has a really strong desire for Truth, he/she will develop a very insufficient knowledge of the faith. I've also found that many conservative and traditional minded NO Catholics are very strongly against "abandoning" the NO church. They see it as disobedience to their priests, bishops, and the Pope.

IMO, it takes a Catholic with a tiny bit of a rebel attitude to muster up the courage to face their NO friends and leave.

Just my thoughts.

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #19 on:** October 06, 2010, 09:03:30 AM »

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Quote from: Roman Catholic
Quote from: Matthew
...talking about someone who had the complete traditional Catholic Faith and LATER starting being more lax toward the N.O. for various ....

The Trans Alpine Redemptorists have been saying on their website that the ecuмenical event in Westminster Abbey was fine.

RC, don't know if you read Traditio or not, but there have been a few items about the TAR's going N.O. Many of the SSPX benefactors of the group are asking for their donations back, only to be told that the donations are non-refundable because they were gifts to God. The SSPX benefactors are upset because they say that the Redemptorists defrauded them by not telling them that the monks were going N.O. I don't blame the generous benefactors for being upset.

Thanks Cheryl, that is interesting. I very rarely go to the Traditio site. I think it is problematic, although it has some value for those who are discerning.

Belloc · « **Reply #20 on:** October 06, 2010, 09:05:52 AM »

I find more "conservative" Prots are often on more same page with us then NO Catholics in many ways.....NO, in my area, gets a bad reputation, often times well earned, of being biblicly illiterate, liberal and not too firm in faith.....A Baptist minister friend often looks at me when I say something and notes "you're, well, not like most Catholics around here I have met".same fellow has noted "V2 was not too good for your Church at all".

No kidding

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #21 on:** October 06, 2010, 09:34:10 AM »

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Be careful with your use of "CINO"--Classiccom may have it copyrighted! :smoke-pot:

Sorry--I couldn't resist :cheers:

:smile:

But shhh or he might hear us and reappear.

Cheryl · « **Reply #22 on:** October 06, 2010, 09:48:50 AM »

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I think it is problematic, although it has some value for those who are discerning.

Quite so RC. When reading at the site, I first try to think of the motivation for writing the commentary and second, I research the listed info source for more sources. Hope what I wrote makes sense. When on the net I operate on premise, every thing I read is false until I can prove to myself that the information is true. :smile:

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #23 on:** October 06, 2010, 09:56:18 AM »

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When on the net I operate on premise, every thing I read is false until I can prove to myself that the information is true. :smile:

:applause:Too bad everyone is not so cautious!

MyrnaM · « **Reply #24 on:** October 06, 2010, 10:27:33 AM »

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Quote from: Cheryl

When on the net I operate on premise, every thing I read is false until I can prove to myself that the information is true. :smile:

:applause:Too bad everyone is not so cautious!

This is especially important and good advice when reading anything about Traditional Catholic parishes or Catholic doctrine of past Popes, statements taken out of context, and what they might have said to "who" at the time it was said, this makes a big difference in why they said what they said.

:detective:

Cheryl · « **Reply #25 on:** October 06, 2010, 10:54:25 AM »

I first try to think of the motivation for writing the information

This as well as truth are important factors for discerning net info.

Why was something written? To inform, to amend a previous statement. Maybe to get the truth out to a larger audience after all other avenues have been explored. Maybe to discredit an individual or group on false pretenses.

Every time I would ask my children, when they were just wee ones, why did you do that? They'd always stand on one foot, then the other and give me some lame excuse. My stock answer was, what you just said was an excuse, I asked for a reason. So when I'm on the net, I also look for the reason the material has been put out there for others to read.

anonymouse · « **Reply #26 on:** October 10, 2010, 03:46:53 PM »

Matthew,

This is very sad that your friend has chosen to delay the baptism of his infant. Of course that's not the right thing to do.

Some of us, though, because of distance and/or other circuмstances, cannot get to a Latin Mass every week, but we go as often as we can. Otherwise, the choices remaining are staying home and attending the Novus Ordo, and we are choosing to go to Mass. I realize most of the people on this forum will not agree or support our decision, but this is our decision. In the last five or so years I've seen a lot of stuff in traddie land, and in the Novus Ordo too.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #27 on:** October 10, 2010, 08:14:23 PM »

Quote from: Belloc

I find more "conservative" Prots are often on more same page with us then NO Catholics in many ways.....NO, in my area, gets a bad reputation, often times well earned, of being biblicly illiterate, liberal and not too firm in faith.....A Baptist minister friend often looks at me when I say something and notes "you're, well, not like most Catholics around here I have met".same fellow has noted "V2 was not too good for your Church at all".

No kidding

I do agree that good Christian Protestants atleast strive to do God's will (although they can't fully do that until they convert to Traditional Catholicism). Protestants can easily relate to NO Catholics considering the NO is basically Protestant. Then again, there are those who atleast respect Traditional Catholics. Regardless though, we should strive to convert Protestants as much as possible.