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What should I do this Sunday???
« on: July 22, 2015, 10:36:40 PM »
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  • According the the Sedevacantists, going to Novus Ordo Mass is a mortal sin. According to the SSPX, it's okay to skip novus ordo mass since it's "poisonous" to tue faith, and that we must only attend Mass if it's possible. According to the Post V2 Church, it's a mortal sin to skip Mass willingly...so, WHICH ONE IS IT? I'm just so confused over this whole sede vs sspx vs novus ordo stuff. It's actually a miracle that I haven't lost faith in God since, unfortunately, I'm the type of person who just gives up when encountering problems...is it okay for me to attend Mass at an FSSP parish? What should I do, go to Novus Ordo Mass and then come home and beg for forgiveness for attending mass and then go to an sspx chapel for confession? Where can I even go to confession? I've never been to confession in my entire life....please help.
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    « Reply #1 on: July 22, 2015, 10:59:49 PM »
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  • I understand that Bishop Williamson has said that it is ok to go to the Novus Ordo once in a while.
     :scratchchin: :scratchchin: :scratchchin:

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Bp-Williamson-says-Novus-Ordo-Mass-OK-sometimes


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    « Reply #2 on: July 22, 2015, 11:12:37 PM »
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    I understand that Bishop Williamson has said that it is ok to go to the Novus Ordo once in a while.
     :scratchchin: :scratchchin: :scratchchin:

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Bp-Williamson-says-Novus-Ordo-Mass-OK-sometimes


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    « Reply #3 on: July 22, 2015, 11:18:23 PM »
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    According the the Sedevacantists, going to Novus Ordo Mass is a mortal sin. According to the SSPX, it's okay to skip novus ordo mass since it's "poisonous" to tue faith, and that we must only attend Mass if it's possible. According to the Post V2 Church, it's a mortal sin to skip Mass willingly...so, WHICH ONE IS IT? I'm just so confused over this whole sede vs sspx vs novus ordo stuff. It's actually a miracle that I haven't lost faith in God since, unfortunately, I'm the type of person who just gives up when encountering problems...is it okay for me to attend Mass at an FSSP parish? What should I do, go to Novus Ordo Mass and then come home and beg for forgiveness for attending mass and then go to an sspx chapel for confession? Where can I even go to confession? I've never been to confession in my entire life....please help.


    If you've never been to confession your entire life, I suggest you have deeper problems than wondering where to assist at Mass this Sunday.  I do find it curious that, for someone who knows so much of what the various Trad groups say/claim, you've not seen the inside of a confessional.  Are you a Catholic?

    The only advice I would give at this point is to ask people on this board if they can recommend a good priest in your area for you to get in contact with.  To that end, perhaps you could post the region you live in.
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    « Reply #4 on: July 22, 2015, 11:35:54 PM »
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    I understand that Bishop Williamson has said that it is ok to go to the Novus Ordo once in a while.
     :scratchchin: :scratchchin: :scratchchin:

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Bp-Williamson-says-Novus-Ordo-Mass-OK-sometimes


    You're a big, fat help, poche.   :facepalm:


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    What should I do this Sunday???
    « Reply #5 on: July 23, 2015, 12:03:47 AM »
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    According the the Sedevacantists, going to Novus Ordo Mass is a mortal sin. According to the SSPX, it's okay to skip novus ordo mass since it's "poisonous" to tue faith, and that we must only attend Mass if it's possible. According to the Post V2 Church, it's a mortal sin to skip Mass willingly...so, WHICH ONE IS IT? I'm just so confused over this whole sede vs sspx vs novus ordo stuff. It's actually a miracle that I haven't lost faith in God since, unfortunately, I'm the type of person who just gives up when encountering problems...is it okay for me to attend Mass at an FSSP parish? What should I do, go to Novus Ordo Mass and then come home and beg for forgiveness for attending mass and then go to an sspx chapel for confession? Where can I even go to confession? I've never been to confession in my entire life....please help.


    If you've never been to confession your entire life, I suggest you have deeper problems than wondering where to assist at Mass this Sunday.  I do find it curious that, for someone who knows so much of what the various Trad groups say/claim, you've not seen the inside of a confessional.  Are you a Catholic?

    The only advice I would give at this point is to ask people on this board if they can recommend a good priest in your area for you to get in contact with.  To that end, perhaps you could post the region you live in.


    Yes, I am a Catholic, and I'm 17 years old. I was born and raised catholic and went to Mass every Sunday till I was about 12. In ninth grade I learned about the Protestant reformation (so the question I had since I was little, "why are there so many Christian churches?" was finally answered. I then got exceedingly curious and went online to do some more research about the reformation. It was then when I found out that the Catholic Church considered itself the One True Church. I got even more curious and decided to research Catholicism. In researching Catholicism, I found out about the following (I didn't find out about these things all at once, but from ages 14-15):
    The seven sacraments
    The Immaculate Conception
    The Assumption
    The rosary
    Apparitions of Mary and Jesus
    What the papacy really was and papal infallibility
    Dogmas of the Church
    Councils
    What saints do
    What the Mass was
    What Mortal and Venial sins were
    What sanctifying grace was
    What imperfect and perfect contrition meant
    What the Old and New covenant meant
    Why the rapture theory was false (I thought it true)
    Sacramentals
    The Holy Trinity
    The perpetual virginity of Mary and her status as Queen of Heaven
    What the sacrifice of Christ did
    How old the Church is and who started it.
    The priesthood
    Religious orders
    Religious phenomena (stigmata, visions, etc.)
    Why the Church used to view Protestantism as heresy
    And a looooott more.

    Although I was born and raised in a catholic home like I said earlier, I knew NOTHING about the Faith. Also, although I learned all these things and was fascinated, I didn't have enough love of God to really practice my faith. That is, until a about a year ago. I was  ready to start going to Mass and stuff. But then, I stumbled upon Novus Ordo watch.org. I learned about sedevacantism and sspx and all that. Now I'm plagued with doubts as to where I should go to Mass, where to confess my sins and receive the sacraments. Sedes say that all ordinations since 1969 are invalid so I can't go to Mass or confess my sins or receive Communion anywhere! But sspx says I can, but only in sspx chapels orFSSP parishes. And the post V2 Church says that it's still the Holy Catholic Church and therefore I can go to Mass in whichever parish I want, as long as it's in communion with Rome. I'm so confused principally because both positions (sede, sspx,) have sufficient evidence for their cause :/ I'm also confused because I have years of habitual mortal sins and blasphemies in my soul, therefore blinding myself, and God's justice demands that I go to confession so I can see again and receive sanctifying grace again..... :sad:  
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    « Reply #6 on: July 23, 2015, 12:58:14 AM »
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  • Find an indult mass for two reasons:

    1. The Church cannot legislate evil laws, therefore the Mass of Paul VI cannot be wicked. The Church of Christ condemns as erroneous the Notion that the Church, being guided by the Holy SPirit, can legislate that which is harmful or dangerous.

     HOWEVER, the way most priests and bishops IMPLEMENT this change CAN be harmful or dangerous. To say nothing of numerous abuses and liberal sermons and teaching, and the wholesale drugging of the sheep into a stupor. SO you need discernment. Therefore, a Latin Mass said by a traditionally minded priest is the way to go.

    2. It is very easy to identify schismatics: They are the reactionaries. Without a single exception. Here is how the story goes (Trust me, I abandoned the faith for Orthodoxy for three years before returning to the Church, battered as she is):

    1. Some members of the Church do something distasteful or wrong.
    2. The other members are scandalized and react to this by saying, "They have abandoned us in spirit!"
    3. They then claim to be the remnant of the Church since they "have not changed."
    4. They are the ones who PHYSICALLY get up and actually sever communion with the first group on account of the perceived laxity, sinfulness, indifference or heresy of the first group.

    The funny thing about these people is they claim the Mainstream has "Abandoned them" and they yet refuse to accept the Mainstreams conditions for reconciliation or attempts at dialog. They are usually animated by a zeal for truth, but it is excessive because it has become radicalized by two delusions:

    1. We are the faithful remnant because we are being persecuted.
    2. We are the faithful remnant because we hold to the "Hard truths" nobody wants to admit.

    Both of these are ultimately egoisms and delusions.

    Now, plug n play: Let's look at history and see who fell into this pattern of thinking:

    1. The Donatists. They abandoned the Church in Africa because they allowed Apostate Bishops to Consecrate other bishops. They wrongly saw this as a violation of the Church's purity.

    2. The adherents of Paulinus in the Antiochian "Meletian Schism." Paulinus was appointed Patriarch of Antioch over and Against St. Meletius of Antioch, and he regularly called St Meletius unbaptized, without grace, uncanonical, etc. Yet It was Meletius who was canonized as a saint, and who headed the second ecumenical council in 381! Again, reactionary accusations of the "impurity" of St. Meletius Episcopal origins (He was ordained by Arians).

    3. The Monophysites and their fanatical adherence to St. Cyril in an unacceptably fundamentalist fashion,a s if no other fathers existed and they did not clarify and enrich one another. Again, they accused ROme and the Majority of the East of impurity and ACTUALLY AND PHYSICALLY left.

    4. The Eastern Orthodox who claim that Rome had abandoned the faith by proclaiming Filioque in the creed (Notwithstanding it is taught by the eastern fathers in detail, especially by St. Gregory of Nyssa and Epiphanius of Salamis and St. Basil) and sinned by baptism by pouring, using unleavened bread, and that Papal Supremacy was vain Pretension and not the lived Experience of the Church as a whole. Again: THEY are the ones who ACTUALLY broke communion and physically left, to say nothing of constantly repudiating their temporary reunions.

    5. The hyper-traditionalists of today who say, contrary to the Magisterium of the Church, (Auctorem Fidei) that the Church has erred in promulgating councils and disciplines for us to follow, and not only that, but that, in themselves they are spiritually harmful, and even evil. They claim, as the other schismatics do, that "They abandoned US, we never changed!" And yet all the disobedience and ACTUAL PHYSICAL LEAVING happens from only one side.


    SO, for these reasons: Find an indult.

    I myself am a traditionalist, prefer the Latin Mass because of its clearer theology, tradition, and the inability to take it and twist it into something it is not meant to be. IN this sense, it is preferable to, safer than, and superior to the current form of the Novus Ordo in America (Although the Norbertines in California offer it Ad Orientim, in latin, with Incense, amidst Gregorian Chant using the The Roman Canon. I can't find it in my heart to fault that! :)
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    What should I do this Sunday???
    « Reply #7 on: July 23, 2015, 02:47:17 AM »
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  • Quote from: Gregory I
    Find an indult mass for two reasons:

    1. The Church cannot legislate evil laws, therefore the Mass of Paul VI cannot be wicked. The Church of Christ condemns as erroneous the Notion that the Church, being guided by the Holy SPirit, can legislate that which is harmful or dangerous.

     HOWEVER, the way most priests and bishops IMPLEMENT this change CAN be harmful or dangerous. To say nothing of numerous abuses and liberal sermons and teaching, and the wholesale drugging of the sheep into a stupor. SO you need discernment. Therefore, a Latin Mass said by a traditionally minded priest is the way to go.

    2. It is very easy to identify schismatics: They are the reactionaries. Without a single exception. Here is how the story goes (Trust me, I abandoned the faith for Orthodoxy for three years before returning to the Church, battered as she is):

    1. Some members of the Church do something distasteful or wrong.
    2. The other members are scandalized and react to this by saying, "They have abandoned us in spirit!"
    3. They then claim to be the remnant of the Church since they "have not changed."
    4. They are the ones who PHYSICALLY get up and actually sever communion with the first group on account of the perceived laxity, sinfulness, indifference or heresy of the first group.

    The funny thing about these people is they claim the Mainstream has "Abandoned them" and they yet refuse to accept the Mainstreams conditions for reconciliation or attempts at dialog. They are usually animated by a zeal for truth, but it is excessive because it has become radicalized by two delusions:

    1. We are the faithful remnant because we are being persecuted.
    2. We are the faithful remnant because we hold to the "Hard truths" nobody wants to admit.

    Both of these are ultimately egoisms and delusions.

    Now, plug n play: Let's look at history and see who fell into this pattern of thinking:

    1. The Donatists. They abandoned the Church in Africa because they allowed Apostate Bishops to Consecrate other bishops. They wrongly saw this as a violation of the Church's purity.

    2. The adherents of Paulinus in the Antiochian "Meletian Schism." Paulinus was appointed Patriarch of Antioch over and Against St. Meletius of Antioch, and he regularly called St Meletius unbaptized, without grace, uncanonical, etc. Yet It was Meletius who was canonized as a saint, and who headed the second ecumenical council in 381! Again, reactionary accusations of the "impurity" of St. Meletius Episcopal origins (He was ordained by Arians).

    3. The Monophysites and their fanatical adherence to St. Cyril in an unacceptably fundamentalist fashion,a s if no other fathers existed and they did not clarify and enrich one another. Again, they accused ROme and the Majority of the East of impurity and ACTUALLY AND PHYSICALLY left.

    4. The Eastern Orthodox who claim that Rome had abandoned the faith by proclaiming Filioque in the creed (Notwithstanding it is taught by the eastern fathers in detail, especially by St. Gregory of Nyssa and Epiphanius of Salamis and St. Basil) and sinned by baptism by pouring, using unleavened bread, and that Papal Supremacy was vain Pretension and not the lived Experience of the Church as a whole. Again: THEY are the ones who ACTUALLY broke communion and physically left, to say nothing of constantly repudiating their temporary reunions.

    5. The hyper-traditionalists of today who say, contrary to the Magisterium of the Church, (Auctorem Fidei) that the Church has erred in promulgating councils and disciplines for us to follow, and not only that, but that, in themselves they are spiritually harmful, and even evil. They claim, as the other schismatics do, that "They abandoned US, we never changed!" And yet all the disobedience and ACTUAL PHYSICAL LEAVING happens from only one side.


    SO, for these reasons: Find an indult.

    I myself am a traditionalist, prefer the Latin Mass because of its clearer theology, tradition, and the inability to take it and twist it into something it is not meant to be. IN this sense, it is preferable to, safer than, and superior to the current form of the Novus Ordo in America (Although the Norbertines in California offer it Ad Orientim, in latin, with Incense, amidst Gregorian Chant using the The Roman Canon. I can't find it in my heart to fault that! :)


    Thanks. I think I will attend an indult traditional mass, once I get my own car and am able to drive myself places. But for now I'll attend a Novus Ordo Mass with my mother. I just give up on this whole sede vs sspx vs V2 crap. I'm just so tired of reading countless threads watching countless YouTube vids, and visiting COUNTLESS websites trying to find answer. I'll go to Mass, receive Communion, go to confession, hoping that they are all valid, and begging God not to count these acts as mortal sins incase they are invalid, since I genuinely, completely, absolutely do not know. I sometimes wish I was born extremely poor. Then I wouldn't have access to the internet, and then I wouldn't be practically despairing, and even doubting God and His Church. Besides what good is knowledge if I don't have humility and real love for God? St. Bernadette, I heard, didn't even know what "Trinity" meant and was illiterate, yet the Mother of God appeared to her.... as Ecclesiastes 1:18 says "...and he that addeth knowledge, addeth also labor." I'll just do what Padre Pio said, "pray, hope, and don't worry."  I'll still view the words and actions of post v2 popes with contempt and suspicion, and I'll continue to refuse to accept the v2 council, but that is as far as I'll go. As for evangelization, if someone becomes curious about the Catholic faith, I won't utter a single peep about sedevacantism or sspx. I'll convince them try and go to Tridentine Mass,  but that's it. God have mercy....
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    « Reply #8 on: July 23, 2015, 06:05:22 AM »
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  • It seems you know that the new mass is to be avoided and that you need to assist at the TLM, so far so good.

    What should you do this Sunday? Well, here it is Thursday so you have a little time to find a traditional priest near you, google will make quick work of this, just type in Traditional Catholic Mass Locations and odds are good that you will get plenty of links, often with phone and email addresses. You can often do more investigating on the ones near you by doing the same thing and typing in the names of the chapel or priest.

    Most traditional priests will communicate with you, at least initially, through email and / or phone since you have no means of driving yourself. This is where you should start. You need to initiate the process by contacting them, then let them help you.

    Assuming you were baptized as an infant, at 17 years old, you absolutely need to get to confession to a traditional Catholic priest. He will "take you by the hand" so to speak and help you through the whole thing right in the confessional - try to be last in line for confessions as it is likely to take a little longer than usual.

    Most trad chapels have confessions before Mass on Sunday and many have them on Saturdays, often after Mass, if possible, go to one on Saturday after Mass to give the priest time to help you. You will never regret it!

    Other than that, perhaps there are posters here who live near you and would like to help once they know you better, so don't be a stranger!

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    « Reply #9 on: July 23, 2015, 11:53:36 AM »
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    I understand that Bishop Williamson has said that it is ok to go to the Novus Ordo once in a while.
     :scratchchin: :scratchchin: :scratchchin:

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Bp-Williamson-says-Novus-Ordo-Mass-OK-sometimes


    You're a big, fat help, poche.   :facepalm:


    Well, he's actually a big, fat troll, thanks to the posters who keep feeding him.
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    « Reply #10 on: July 23, 2015, 02:45:20 PM »
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  • Quote from: Gregory I
    I myself am a traditionalist, prefer the Latin Mass because of its clearer theology, tradition, and the inability to take it and twist it into something it is not meant to be. IN this sense, it is preferable to, safer than, and superior to the current form of the Novus Ordo in America (Although the Norbertines in California offer it Ad Orientim, in latin, with Incense, amidst Gregorian Chant using the The Roman Canon. I can't find it in my heart to fault that! :)


    Do you realize that if it weren't for your so-called "hyper-traditionalists", you likely would not even know what a "Latin Mass" is?
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum ...


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  • Unlikely, given the Church belongs to Christ alone and HE is the one who builds it on Peter. So the preservation of the Church doesn't lie in a particular individual, but in the structures God established.
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    « Reply #12 on: July 23, 2015, 03:06:01 PM »
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    I understand that Bishop Williamson has said that it is ok to go to the Novus Ordo once in a while.
     :scratchchin: :scratchchin: :scratchchin:

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Bp-Williamson-says-Novus-Ordo-Mass-OK-sometimes


    You're a big, fat help, poche.   :facepalm:


    I am not a fan of staying home alone. I think it does more harm than it does good. Besides, you could be a voice of sanity in an insane world.  


    Stop treating the Mass as though it were nothing more than a social gathering at which the laity express their particular "voices."

    The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is just that - the propitiatory Sacrifice Offered to Almighty God by the priest (not the laity) in expiation of sin; the Mass is Calvary, the Perfect Sacrifice, offered again and again.

    So how dare we - how dare any man - how dare any creature - offer to Almighty God a less than perfect, less than absolutely certain Sacrifice? And, let's face it, calling a fabricated liturgy dreamed up by Protestants under the guidance of a Freemason "less than perfect" is a gross understatement.

    Catholics must offer Sacrifice as Abel did, not as Cain did.

    And anyone who hasn't read The Great Sacrilege by Fr. James F. Wathen ought to do so as soon as possible.

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    « Reply #13 on: July 23, 2015, 03:14:24 PM »
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  • You need to pray and think deeply about it.

    God does not expect the impossible. The Dimond brothers might make it sound good, but they are bitter and angry and their behavior contrasts with the Lives of the Saints. Have you read any Lives of the Saints? Go to TAN Books and look through their saints biographies. They show how Catholicism looks in action in different places and time periods. You start to get a feel for what is Catholic and what is not.

    Then come back to the issue, and you might have more clarity.

    I think you should talk to a Trad priest and consider his advise seriously. One might object, "How do I know who to trust?" but I'd like to point out: why did you choose to come to CathInfo, a Traditional Catholic forum? Something inside you must be suggesting that we might be holding the truth here.

    I've been a Trad for several decades, and I can tell you the short answer to your question -- that every baptized Catholic has a right to doubt-free sacraments. The Tridentine Mass *can't* have been abrogated; it was the only Mass in the western Church for almost 500 years. The Church has never done away with such a venerable Rite. Going to a Tridentine Mass is the safest path.

    And it's not just the Mass -- how were priests always formed? St. Thomas Aquinas for philosophy and theology. The Council of Trent mandated how priests were to be formed, after the problems that occurred in the 1400s and earlier. Research how things all changed after Vatican II. Now priests started watching TV, studying modern philosophy, and in general becoming more worldly. Seminarians were often encouraged to date women during their vacations!

    Numbers don't lie. Just look up the statistics in the Catholic Church from 1950 - present. Look at how many Catholics stopped attending weekly Mass; how many stopped believing in Catholic dogmas, and how many priestly/religious vocations were lost.

    Also you might add just ONE MORE THING to your research list: Research Freemasonry. See if you can recognize any of their tenets in the modern-day Catholic Church.

    The question of "is the Novus Ordo a mortal sin" is a moot one. I would avoid it just because it is dangerous. Almost every young man, at about 15 years old, stops going to the Novus Ordo as soon as his mom can't physically make him. At the very least, he stops going by age 18. That fact alone is enough to make me pause. Indeed, you will find that the Novus Ordo is sentimental and empty, catering to female sensibilities. Men especially have a hard time accepting it. I don't blame them.

    The Catholic Faith is much more virile than that. And you only get that virility in the Traditional world, sad to say.
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    « Reply #14 on: July 23, 2015, 03:38:33 PM »
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  • The Novus Ordo is a bastard rite and a trojan horse to destroy the faith.  It was invented by six protestants and a later exiled freemason cardinal Bugnini.  Those who know of the danger to the Faith and participate in the bastard rite commit objective mortal sin.  Those who have doubt are obliged under the pain of sin to alleviate this doubt.

    The Novus Ordo was not legitimately promulgated and is not a legitimate way of fulfilling your Sunday obligation.  All Catholics have a strict duty to avoid a protestantized, dangerous rite of  worship.

    Speak with a SSPX or independent priest or resistance priest about this matter.

    And let us know what you decide, please.


    AVOID THE NOVUS ORDO LIKETHE PLAGUE!
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

     

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