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Online St Giles

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What Pope Pius XI said about his successor
« on: August 03, 2023, 02:51:20 PM »
Pius XI strongly hinted to the cardinals that he expected Pacelli to be his successor, saying "He is in your midst." He had previously been quoted as saying: "When today the Pope dies, you'll get another one tomorrow, because the Church continues. It would be a much bigger tragedy, if Cardinal Pacelli dies, because there is only one. I pray every day, God may send another one into one of our seminaries, but as of today, there is only one in this world."

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: What Pope Pius XI said about his successor
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2023, 05:15:45 PM »
Pope Pius XI made a lot of mistakes, and Pius XII's papacy was an unmitigated disaster.  Both were diplomats and were always looking for compromises.  What we needed were theologians who would refuse to compromise the faith in the interests of making "peace". 


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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2023, 11:46:53 PM »
Very interesting quote. So it sounds like Pius XI was saying there was only one person alive who could replace him as pope, and that was Pacelli.

Then, when Pope Pius XII died, I guess we were all out of popes. :( Indeed we were.

What I don't understand ... and maybe this is because I don't understand how the government of the Church works, but ... if there was no one in the hierarchy that either Pius XI or Pius XII could trust, why didn't they just throw all those bums out of there and get new people? A pope has supreme power, and can fire bishops, cardinals, and anyone else he wants. And if a bishop or cardinal is someone that the pope says is not worthy or trustworthy enough to be pope, how is he trustworthy enough to be a monsignor or a cardinal or anything else?

Why not just fire the whole curia and start over? It seems drastic, but that's a lot less drastic than saying, "There's only one person left in the world who can be a good pope; you better hope he doesn't die."

It makes me think of the scene in The Untouchables where the whole Chicago police force was corrupt, and Sean Connery said to Kevin Costner when they were trying to recruit a trustworthy officer, "If you're afraid of getting a rotten apple, don't go to the barrel. Get it off the tree." And they went to the police academy and signed out the cadet with the most accurate shooting record, who fortunately turned out to be Andy Garcia, and he was the only honest cop they could get to take down Al Capone. Why didn't the last Popes Pius do that too? Just recruit priests straight out of the seminary who had a simple faith and zeal, and throw out the entire curia who were all corrupted, masonic, suspected of modernism, and who knows what else? It would bring some growing pains of its own, I'm sure, but it seems like a vastly better option than sitting around moaning about how there's nobody that can be pope anymore ... WHICH TURNED OUT TO BE TRUE!!!!

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Re: What Pope Pius XI said about his successor
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2023, 12:43:55 AM »
Pope Pius XI made a lot of mistakes, and Pius XII's papacy was an unmitigated disaster.  Both were diplomats and were always looking for compromises.  What we needed were theologians who would refuse to compromise the faith in the interests of making "peace".
^^^ this

Though Rampolla was blocked from the papacy, Della Chiesa (Benedict XV), Pacelli (Pius XII), Roncalli (John XXIII), Montini (Paul VI), and Pietro Gasparri (Cardinal Secretary of State 1914-1930) were proteges of Rampolla. The banking families of Pacelli and Montini were also connected to the Rothschilds.  Instead of the usual school and seminary training, from childhood both Pacelli and Montini were tutored under the personal direction of Rampolla. They were so tutored until their last two years before ordination.

For details, see:

The Undermining of the Catholic Church
by Mary Ball Martinez (requiescat in pace), who was for decades a Vatican journalist and insider, ASIN: B0006EZHKS, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006EZHKS/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B0006EZHKS&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

Re: What Pope Pius XI said about his successor
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2023, 02:38:39 AM »
 Pius XII's papacy was an unmitigated disaster. 

I'm wondering if he ever endorsed the 6 million gas chamber fairy tale or the creation of the State of Israel.  Robert Faurisson in the Preface to his book Pope Pius XII's Revisionism states: "He [Pius XII] resisted the pressure of certain Jєωιѕн organizations.  He refused to endorse either the nascent religion of the 'h0Ɩ0cαųst' (an imposter) or the creation of the State of Israel (another imposter, directly linked to the first).  He was to pay a high price for his daring, if but posthumously."