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Offline Quo Vadis Petre

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Richmond Diocese Newspaper calls SSPX "Schismatic Sect"
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2013, 08:01:44 PM »
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  • Isaac Jogues, you do know that calling the SSPX heretical or schismatic is forbidden here, as far I remember (it's been so long since I posted here). Continue posting like that and I can guarantee you won't be here much longer. Disagree with the SSPX if you want, but don't make these grave accusations!
    "In our time more than ever before, the greatest asset of the evil-disposed is the cowardice and weakness of good men, and all the vigour of Satan's reign is due to the easy-going weakness of Catholics." -St. Pius X

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    « Reply #16 on: July 24, 2013, 12:42:54 PM »
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    Isaac Jogues, you do know that calling the SSPX heretical or schismatic is forbidden here, as far I remember (it's been so long since I posted here). Continue posting like that and I can guarantee you won't be here much longer. Disagree with the SSPX if you want, but don't make these grave accusations!


    I don't know what you are referring to.
    Ecclesiasticus 5:8-9 "8 Delay not to be converted to the Lord, and defer it not from day to day.
    9 For his wrath shall come on a sudden, and in the time of vengeance he will destroy thee."


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    « Reply #17 on: July 24, 2013, 08:51:37 PM »
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    An individual who claims he belongs to the "Catholic Church" but refuses to hold any of the diocesan bishops as having any authority, they would be schismatic. When they reject essentially everything about the "Church" and claim to still believe their "pope" is a true pope, that would be schismatic.
    If the novus ordo is the Catholic Church then anyone who refuses communion with their hierarchy, but accepts their "head" as the real head of the Church, then they are schismatic.
    One has to reject the false head also if they want to be true Catholics. He teaches and endorses every change and abomination that has been introduced since Vatican II.
    To accept a manifest heretic as the pope is schismatic.
    It is illogical.
    "In our time more than ever before, the greatest asset of the evil-disposed is the cowardice and weakness of good men, and all the vigour of Satan's reign is due to the easy-going weakness of Catholics." -St. Pius X

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    Richmond Diocese Newspaper calls SSPX "Schismatic Sect"
    « Reply #18 on: July 26, 2013, 01:52:43 AM »
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    An individual who claims he belongs to the "Catholic Church" but refuses to hold any of the diocesan bishops as having any authority, they would be schismatic. When they reject essentially everything about the "Church" and claim to still believe their "pope" is a true pope, that would be schismatic.
    If the novus ordo is the Catholic Church then anyone who refuses communion with their hierarchy, but accepts their "head" as the real head of the Church, then they are schismatic.
    One has to reject the false head also if they want to be true Catholics. He teaches and endorses every change and abomination that has been introduced since Vatican II.
    To accept a manifest heretic as the pope is schismatic.
    It is illogical.


    I didn't make any accusations toward a certain group. I'm just stating the truth.
    Ecclesiasticus 5:8-9 "8 Delay not to be converted to the Lord, and defer it not from day to day.
    9 For his wrath shall come on a sudden, and in the time of vengeance he will destroy thee."

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    Richmond Diocese Newspaper calls SSPX "Schismatic Sect"
    « Reply #19 on: July 26, 2013, 02:42:11 AM »
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    An individual who claims he belongs to the "Catholic Church" but refuses to hold any of the diocesan bishops as having any authority, they would be schismatic. When they reject essentially everything about the "Church" and claim to still believe their "pope" is a true pope, that would be schismatic.
    If the novus ordo is the Catholic Church then anyone who refuses communion with their hierarchy, but accepts their "head" as the real head of the Church, then they are schismatic.
    One has to reject the false head also if they want to be true Catholics. He teaches and endorses every change and abomination that has been introduced since Vatican II.
    To accept a manifest heretic as the pope is schismatic.
    It is illogical.


    I didn't make any accusations toward a certain group. I'm just stating the truth.


    So what you're saying is that when a pope spreads heresy, in contradiction to past infallible teachings, creates a schismatic rite of the Mass, with the help of 7 protestants, in order to supplant the True Mass, and then has his authority challenged by disobedient bishops who say that he is nothing but the first among equals, then we have to accept his illegal, schismatic rite, recognize his heresies as truth, and acknowledge the authority of bishops who will not promulgate the True Mass, or else we are schismatic.  Is that pretty much what you are saying?


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    Richmond Diocese Newspaper calls SSPX "Schismatic Sect"
    « Reply #20 on: July 26, 2013, 05:25:20 PM »
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  • I heard there's a retraction to this, or at least a "clarification."

    http://www.catholicvirginian.org/archive/2013/2013vol88iss19/pages/article2.html


    Diocesan statement regarding article on the Society of St. Pius X

    A recent article in the Catholic Virginian on the Society of St. Pius X and the seminary it is constructing in Buckingham County contained inaccuracies.

    The article correctly stated that the society was founded in 1970 by the late French Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary is one of several seminaries operated by the society. The society is not in regular communion with the Holy See (or the Bishop of Richmond).

    These points need to be clarified:

        The seminary is currently located in Winona, Minnesota and is relocating to Buckingham County. Mass is not regularly offered at the Buckingham location at present.
        Our former Holy Father, Benedict XVI, never personally declared that doctrinal differences stand in the way of regularizing the canonical status of the society; nonetheless, the regularization has yet to take place.
        The Masses offered by priests of the society are valid. Other Sacraments celebrated in the chapels of the society are considered valid, with the exception of Penance and Matrimony, which are, at best, doubtfully valid.
        It is not clear that the society is in schism, and it is not properly called a “sect.” In recent years the Holy See has recognized the society’s expressed desire for regular communion with the Roman Pontiff and the Church he shepherds, and the Holy See’s dialogue with the society since 2009 demonstrates the Church’s commitment to unity.

    Several additional points should be made when discussing the Society of St. Pius X:

        It is necessary to distinguish between the priests, brothers, and sisters of the society, on the one hand; and the lay faithful who attend Mass at society chapels, on the other hand. The former are clearly in an irregular status. In regard to the lay faithful who attend Mass at society chapels, there has never been a statement by the Holy See that these people are in schism. In fact, the Holy See acts toward them as it does toward all the Catholic lay faithful.
        It’s also necessary to distinguish between acts that are invalid and those that are illicit. Acts are illicit when they go against the Church’s law. Still, acts that are canonically illicit may be valid, and, in the case of the society, the ministerial acts of their priests may be illicit and still be considered valid by the Church.
        Finally, a comment should be made regarding the Sunday Mass obligation of Catholics. The faithful do not properly fulfill their Sunday Mass obligation in chapels of the society, as the celebration of the Eucharist presupposes not only communion with the Lord, but also communion with the Church He founded, and the hierarchy who govern the Church by Divine mandate.

    The Church’s unity is best served when the whole truth is communicated. We regret the errors in the article. Let us pray for restoration of the unity of all Christians in Christ, and that the Society of St. Pius X will be reconciled with ecclesiastical authority.
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    Richmond Diocese Newspaper calls SSPX "Schismatic Sect"
    « Reply #21 on: July 26, 2013, 07:31:09 PM »
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  • Someday SSPX will realize the Holy See, the episcopal see of Rome, dates back to early Christian times.  Vatican II does NOT!

    I anxiously await that day!

     

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