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Re: What % of Norvus Ordo baptisms are invalid?
« Reply #45 on: November 07, 2017, 01:50:40 AM »
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    Re: What % of Norvus Ordo baptisms are invalid?
    « Reply #46 on: November 07, 2017, 06:05:00 AM »
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  • Oh, I'm sure that still happens but I hear fewer and fewer reports of it.  And, actually, the new translation of the Novus Ordo Mass accurately translates the words of consecration so that the NOM might even be valid ... especially when the 1st Canon (=very close to the Tridentine Canon) is used.
    I wonder if there are "fewer and fewer reports" because it happens less often or if the people are so inured by such things and so ignorant of the faith that no one even thinks its something that should be reported.

    When I and my family got up and left the service when the priest made up obviously invalidating words of Consecration, we were the only ones to do so.  In fact, when I later talked with a few others who are there, they either said that they weren't paying attention and didn't hear anything wrong or, as one man replied, "Oh, Father is always doing crazy stuff.  What does it matter?"  


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    Re: What % of Norvus Ordo baptisms are invalid?
    « Reply #47 on: November 07, 2017, 12:39:34 PM »
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  • LOL, I thought the thread said "What % of Norvus Ordo bishops are invalid?"

    I was going to say that I don't think there are many valid bishops left, like maybe one dozen.
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    Re: What % of Norvus Ordo baptisms are invalid?
    « Reply #48 on: November 07, 2017, 12:40:44 PM »
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  • LOL, I thought the thread said "What % of Norvus Ordo bishops are invalid?"

    I was going to say that I don't think there are many valid bishops left, like maybe one dozen.

    If you don't count the Eastern Rites as "Novus Ordo".  They're all valid.

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    Re: What % of Norvus Ordo baptisms are invalid?
    « Reply #49 on: November 07, 2017, 12:43:54 PM »
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  • I wonder if there are "fewer and fewer reports" because it happens less often or if the people are so inured by such things and so ignorant of the faith that no one even thinks its something that should be reported.

    I think that it's happening less, personally.  People have reacted against the original Hippie Novus Ordo generation where they threw out all "formulae" as evil due to lack of spontaneity.  I know a large number of Novus Ordo priests, and by and large they are much more conservative (admittedly a relative term) than the Hippie priests from the 70s and early 80s.  There was a slight counter-reaction against the radical Hippie priest revolution.


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    Re: What % of Norvus Ordo baptisms are invalid?
    « Reply #50 on: November 07, 2017, 01:34:44 PM »
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  • I was baptized in the Novus Ordo in the 1990s. Earlier this year I found a video of my original baptism and showed it to several priests (1 Resistance and 4 SSPX) and all of them agreed that it was doubtful due to defective matter (instead of pouring, sprinkling or immersion the priest traced a sign of the cross with the water on my forehead) and that I should be conditionally baptized.
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    Re: What % of Norvus Ordo baptisms are invalid?
    « Reply #51 on: November 28, 2017, 12:15:07 AM »
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  • Marie Julie Jahenny prophesied about there being a blasphemous... red (commie) religion that would have "new sacraments ... new baptisms." 



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    Re: What % of Norvus Ordo baptisms are invalid?
    « Reply #52 on: November 28, 2017, 09:23:01 AM »
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  • I was baptized in the Novus Ordo in the 1990s. Earlier this year I found a video of my original baptism and showed it to several priests (1 Resistance and 4 SSPX) and all of them agreed that it was doubtful due to defective matter (instead of pouring, sprinkling or immersion the priest traced a sign of the cross with the water on my forehead) and that I should be conditionally baptized.

    Well, it's essential that the water flow across the skin, so IMO valid; water moved across your skin as the sign of the cross was being made. BUT ... since this method is not one of the three officially recognized in Catholic ritual, it would make sense to do a conditional.


     

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