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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2013, 05:58:56 PM »
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  • I found the chapel listed on traditio's directory of latin masses....

    That's a good source, no?
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    « Reply #16 on: September 28, 2013, 06:20:32 PM »
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    I found the chapel listed on traditio's directory of latin masses....

    That's a good source, no?


    It is the most comprehensive source that I am aware of for locating traditional Masses--all of them--the good, the bad, and the ugly.  You have to sift through what's good & what's not.  This one is diocesan if I am looking at the right one and I would not attend.  I don't go by whether traditio puts a smiley face or devil on it--I make my own decisions.


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    « Reply #17 on: September 28, 2013, 06:29:44 PM »
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    I found the chapel listed on traditio's directory of latin masses....

    That's a good source, no?


    It is the most comprehensive source that I am aware of for locating traditional Masses--all of them--the good, the bad, and the ugly.  You have to sift through what's good & what's not.  This one is diocesan if I am looking at the right one and I would not attend.  I don't go by whether traditio puts a smiley face or devil on it--I make my own decisions.


    How are you coming to that conclusion?  From what I can tell, their website shows they are very anti-Vatican II.  They call the NO the "New Mass" in quotes and further down it says it is a:

    NATIONAL INDEPENDENT SHRINE OF OUR LADY OF MOUNT CARMEL~~

    "AN INDEPENDENT SHRINE"  

     (Not affiliated with any diocese or religious society)


    It looks pretty safe to me.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    « Reply #18 on: September 28, 2013, 06:32:30 PM »
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  • It's always a good practice to find out who the priest is before attending any chapel.  Remember, you have a right to know, and they have a duty to explain their orders.  If they do not or will not do this to your satisfaction, then stay away from them.

    I think that Fr. Joseph Collins might be the priest at this chapel.  If it is him, you have been blessed.  He is an excellent priest, trained and ordained at Econe in the 1970's by Archbishop Lefebvre.  I could only ever say good things about him.  You would be very fortunate if he were your priest.

    I know that Fr. Collins is the priest at St Michaels in Albany, NY.  I do not know if he covers this one in Hudson anymore.  You may have to call and check.
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    « Reply #19 on: September 28, 2013, 06:49:18 PM »
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    It's always a good practice to find out who the priest is before attending any chapel.  Remember, you have a right to know, and they have a duty to explain their orders.  If they do not or will not do this to your satisfaction, then stay away from them.

    I think that Fr. Joseph Collins might be the priest at this chapel.  If it is him, you have been blessed.  He is an excellent priest, trained and ordained at Econe in the 1970's by Archbishop Lefebvre.  I could only ever say good things about him.  You would be very fortunate if he were your priest.

    I know that Fr. Collins is the priest at St Michaels in Albany, NY.  I do not know if he covers this one in Hudson anymore.  You may have to call and check.


    That is the priest that is listed in the directory.  I did not see a listing for St Michael's in Albany.  Is that the same as the Glenmont, NY listing?  I noticed the name Fr Collins for both of these two chapels (and wondered).  We could definitely go to the Glenmont chapel as well.  Do you guys have a website?  The listing shows 10AM Sunday Mass....is that correct?  Also, when is confession?
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    « Reply #20 on: September 28, 2013, 06:59:22 PM »
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    It's always a good practice to find out who the priest is before attending any chapel.  Remember, you have a right to know, and they have a duty to explain their orders.  If they do not or will not do this to your satisfaction, then stay away from them.

    I think that Fr. Joseph Collins might be the priest at this chapel.  If it is him, you have been blessed.  He is an excellent priest, trained and ordained at Econe in the 1970's by Archbishop Lefebvre.  I could only ever say good things about him.  You would be very fortunate if he were your priest.

    I know that Fr. Collins is the priest at St Michaels in Albany, NY.  I do not know if he covers this one in Hudson anymore.  You may have to call and check.


    That is the priest that is listed in the directory.  I did not see a listing for St Michael's in Albany.  Is that the same as the Glenmont, NY listing?  I noticed the name Fr Collins for both of these two chapels (and wondered).  We could definitely go to the Glenmont chapel as well.  Do you guys have a website?  The listing shows 10AM Sunday Mass....is that correct?  Also, when is confession?


    It is not my chapel, but I have gone there when passing through that area.  I have never attended the chapel in Hudson, but was told that Fr. Collins is the priest there.  I am not sure if that information is up to date.  I do not know the confession times, but father most likely hears confession prior to Mass on Sundays.

    Fr. Collins works with Fr. Ahern, another excellent priest ordained by the archbishop in the 70s.  They are both very good priests you will be safe with them, they know their theology, and they are very dignified.  

    They were part of the group of nine that left the Society, but they are not affiliated with the SSPV.  
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    « Reply #21 on: September 28, 2013, 07:00:51 PM »
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    How are you coming to that conclusion?  From what I can tell, their website shows they are very anti-Vatican II.  They call the NO the "New Mass" in quotes and further down it says it is a:

    NATIONAL INDEPENDENT SHRINE OF OUR LADY OF MOUNT CARMEL~~

    "AN INDEPENDENT SHRINE"  

     (Not affiliated with any diocese or religious society)


    It looks pretty safe to me.

    I was looking at the wrong one.  Based on Ambrose's input about the priest, this does seem like an excellent choice.

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    « Reply #22 on: September 28, 2013, 08:06:28 PM »
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  • A second for any chapel involving Father Collins. Excellent priest and a genuinely intelligent, nice person.


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    « Reply #23 on: September 29, 2013, 07:08:05 AM »
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  • Thanks for all of the positive feedback about this priest!  Now I just need to get clarification on which chapel he is at.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    « Reply #24 on: October 19, 2013, 10:38:33 AM »
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  • I just wanted to let you all know that we will be visiting the aforementioned chapel tomorrow for confession and mass.  As for confession, what do we do?  I mean, if most of our previous confessions were doubtful at best due to potentially invalid rites of ordination/consecration, at what point in time do we start confessing our sins?  Also, do we confess the weeks we didn't go to mass because there was only VII masses?
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    « Reply #25 on: October 19, 2013, 12:24:26 PM »
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    I just wanted to let you all know that we will be visiting the aforementioned chapel tomorrow for confession and mass.  As for confession, what do we do?  I mean, if most of our previous confessions were doubtful at best due to potentially invalid rites of ordination/consecration, at what point in time do we start confessing our sins?  Also, do we confess the weeks we didn't go to mass because there was only VII masses?


    Since you will be there before mass, and probably do not want to hold up the line on Sunday morning...

    You should know that God supplies the grace in cases where we think one is a priest but we were mislead or unaware of circuмstances. Quickly tell the priest of the circuмstance and ask him if you can make a confession since your last confession, and ask him if it would be alright if you were to make a general confession either after mass, or at a scheduled time. He might tell you what he would like for you to do, I'm sure you can work something out.

    Not going to a mass that you believe is doubtful or not a Catholic rite is not a sin, but failing to sanctify the day, through prayer and rest, is a sin.


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    « Reply #26 on: October 19, 2013, 01:16:51 PM »
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    I have noticed that there are a number of posters that are saying things like "I haven't decided to become sedevacantist/take the sede view but it's becoming increasingly more probable".

    For those of you who are saying this (and I guess I'm there too to some extent although my posts really do sound like I've made a decision), what is keeping you from making the jump to SV?  I think your comments will help me immensely.

    (And I LOVE that I can ask this question unlike FE)


    What keeps people from making the progression to Sedevacantism?

    The consequences of that decision. People would doubt whether they can go to their TLM, or join religious communities that hold Francis is a pope. The arguments of whether the see is vacant are obviously legalistic and ultra complex, and I don't understand them myself, but if the sedevacantists rest on divine law, then we as part of the church have grace from God to decide on this matter that also affects the see of peter, and so it is an emotional decision from most people I think, when they see Francis' heresies.
    Youre in the same boat as me mate!

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    « Reply #27 on: October 19, 2013, 02:51:51 PM »
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    I just wanted to let you all know that we will be visiting the aforementioned chapel tomorrow for confession and mass.  As for confession, what do we do?  I mean, if most of our previous confessions were doubtful at best due to potentially invalid rites of ordination/consecration, at what point in time do we start confessing our sins?  Also, do we confess the weeks we didn't go to mass because there was only VII masses?


    Since you will be there before mass, and probably do not want to hold up the line on Sunday morning...

    You should know that God supplies the grace in cases where we think one is a priest but we were mislead or unaware of circuмstances. Quickly tell the priest of the circuмstance and ask him if you can make a confession since your last confession, and ask him if it would be alright if you were to make a general confession either after mass, or at a scheduled time. He might tell you what he would like for you to do, I'm sure you can work something out.

    Not going to a mass that you believe is doubtful or not a Catholic rite is not a sin, but failing to sanctify the day, through prayer and rest, is a sin.


    I'm  not following.  Is a "general confession" different than confession?

    The timing is as such:  3:30 confession; 4PM mass and then after mass we have a 3 1/2 hour drive back home.  

    Also, I have had to prepare for a graduate course on Sundays as I need at least a 4 hour slot to be productive (and I work full time). Saturdays are usually set aside for chores.  I do try to keep Sundays as "work free".  I hope that doing my graduate course is not a sin.
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    « Reply #28 on: October 19, 2013, 03:06:54 PM »
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    I just wanted to let you all know that we will be visiting the aforementioned chapel tomorrow for confession and mass.  As for confession, what do we do?  I mean, if most of our previous confessions were doubtful at best due to potentially invalid rites of ordination/consecration, at what point in time do we start confessing our sins?  Also, do we confess the weeks we didn't go to mass because there was only VII masses?


    Since you will be there before mass, and probably do not want to hold up the line on Sunday morning...

    You should know that God supplies the grace in cases where we think one is a priest but we were mislead or unaware of circuмstances. Quickly tell the priest of the circuмstance and ask him if you can make a confession since your last confession, and ask him if it would be alright if you were to make a general confession either after mass, or at a scheduled time. He might tell you what he would like for you to do, I'm sure you can work something out.

    Not going to a mass that you believe is doubtful or not a Catholic rite is not a sin, but failing to sanctify the day, through prayer and rest, is a sin.


    I'm  not following.  Is a "general confession" different than confession?

    The timing is as such:  3:30 confession; 4PM mass and then after mass we have a 3 1/2 hour drive back home.  

    Also, I have had to prepare for a graduate course on Sundays as I need at least a 4 hour slot to be productive (and I work full time). Saturdays are usually set aside for chores.  I do try to keep Sundays as "work free".  I hope that doing my graduate course is not a sin.


    Studying is not work. Work means unnecessary servile labor.

    A general confession is made since your last general confession. You don't make them often, they basically go over your whole life and confessions, since your last general confession. People make them a few times in their life, before getting married, to prepare for the sacrament might be an example, or if one has a radical interior conversion.

    Regular confession would be what you are already used to, but a general confession might take care on any nagging doubts you might have about previous confessions. They might not be founded but at least you can put your heart and mind at rest.

    You don't even have to do that, I'm just giving suggestions. I'm sure the priest will be willing to give input. Call ahead if you want to, maybe he can help you beforehand.

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    « Reply #29 on: October 19, 2013, 04:54:49 PM »
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  • OK, I get it. My last general confession was probably when I converted.  Thanks!
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