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Offline Matthew

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What is your local SSPX chapel like?
« on: October 23, 2011, 05:16:50 PM »
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  • I'd like to make a point, and that point is this:

    Your experience of the SSPX (or any other trad group, incidentally) is going to be heavily colored by the surrounding people and local culture.

    For example, at my chapel people are very down-to earth, and even rich people dress in a quite casual and un-assuming manner. (A man who makes $30,000 a year drives a truck. A man who has $5 million to his name drives ... a brand new truck. An average Joe wears sandals to the store. A man who lives in a $800,000 home wears...sandals.)

    Men don't flaunt wealth or status in Texas, for whatever reason.

    Likewise, the demographics are going to be different. Anna1959 mentioned that her traditional chapel is populated by white folk almost exclusively. Our chapel, on the other hand, is at least 50% Hispanic. I'm speaking of the SSPX chapel in San Antonio.

    And, as we discussed, race/nationality/culture DO matter, as they shape everything from attitude toward money to attitude toward outsiders, dating, family priorities, education, careers, self-adornment, the world, recreation, opposing evil, you name it.

    The United States is a big place -- big enough for there to be several distinct cultures within its borders.
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    What is your local SSPX chapel like?
    « Reply #1 on: October 23, 2011, 05:22:01 PM »
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  • I've had one too many person describe the SSPX in conflicting terms. That's what inspired this thread.

    Fr. Doran complained about how many young 2nd-generation trads have no ambition when it comes to careers. So many of them just enjoy "huntin' and fishin'" and have no idea how they plan to make a living. That's what he said.

    He has been posted many places, including St. Mary's, KS and Post Falls, ID. So he must have something to go on. I seriously doubt he just made it up.
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    What is your local SSPX chapel like?
    « Reply #2 on: October 23, 2011, 05:41:55 PM »
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  • When I mentioned trad chapels being all white, I didn't mean only the SSPX, but also the diocesan TLMs, as well as the two sede chapels some distance from me. The only thing close to me are two diocesan TLMs, and although I don't go to them now, I did go a few times to see what they were like. 100% white. Ditto for the sede chapels that I went to once or twice when I got a ride. The SSPX chapel (an hr away by car) is 100% white except for one Filipino man.
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    « Reply #3 on: October 23, 2011, 06:23:09 PM »
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  • Quote from: Anna1959
    When I mentioned trad chapels being all white, I didn't mean only the SSPX, but also the diocesan TLMs, as well as the two sede chapels some distance from me. The only thing close to me are two diocesan TLMs, and although I don't go to them now, I did go a few times to see what they were like. 100% white. Ditto for the sede chapels that I went to once or twice when I got a ride. The SSPX chapel (an hr away by car) is 100% white except for one Filipino man.


    Catholics were overwhelmingly European for over 1500 years. It makes sense that those in the "Traditionalist movement" would be mostly of European descent. Negro's and Indians were very hard to convert, as were Asians, and you rarely find any professing to be Catholic, with the exception of those from the Philippines, since it was conquered by Spain. Most Arabs are Mohammedan. Jews are Jews. And most Mestizo's (Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, South Americans, etc.) in the U.S. are not truly practicing, and most who do practice seem to be either charismatic zombies or just people who blindly attend their local N.O. mass, not delving into any sort of theology or even basic catechesis (and thus wouldn't be found, for the most part, in an SSPX or Sedevacantist chapel, or even a diocesan TLM).

    Generally speaking...

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    What is your local SSPX chapel like?
    « Reply #4 on: October 23, 2011, 06:43:28 PM »
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  • I live in NE Pa/Southern Tier NY.  Our chapel is all white.  Our area, which is very rural, is 99.5% white.  There are large numbers of Polish, Italians, and Germans.  That is reflected in our chapel.  This area is very middle class.  In fact, they pride themselves on that.  Of the under 50 crowd, we have engineers, farmers, electricians, and a business owner or two.  We have nurses and teachers.  We have a small percentage of really wealthy, but you wouldn't really know it.  We also have some that are pretty poor.  


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    « Reply #5 on: October 23, 2011, 07:53:04 PM »
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  • If you look at the median family income of St. Mary's Kansas, I don't think it's hard to understand why the young men aren't too ambitious.  I don't think there are too many opportunities for them in that location.

    I was a very ambitious young man.  Very ambitious.  The level of ambition has not changed.  The opportunities available for Catholics have changed.

    I have a problem with priests complaining about young men not being "ambitious" enough.  There's something seriously askew there.  A lack of awareness of the general situation of society, and a seriously misplaced priority.

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    « Reply #6 on: October 23, 2011, 08:04:46 PM »
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  • By the way, Matthew, you have millionaires in your chapel? And a man who owns a nearly million dollar home? Or was that just an exaggerated example to make a point?

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    « Reply #7 on: October 23, 2011, 09:17:05 PM »
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  • I don't have an SSPX chapel in my area, but I am close to St. Athanasius in Vienna, VA (which is listed on the SSPX website as non-SSPX but recommended venue). I like Fr. Ringrose but there's a bit of a cultish atmosphere there. I hope that doesn't sound uncharitable of me, but I just haven't been able to fit in.

    I drove down to Our Lady of Fatima Chapel in Richmond, VA once but it was the complete opposite experience: the people were very friendly towards me but I was not fond of some of the things that happened there.

    As for the comments on the different ethnic backgrounds that you find in traditional chapels, I am Korean and Filipino but I look like a big Samoan. Usually when I go to an independent (and even diocesan), I'm the only minority there and it can get awkward. Sometimes I get the feeling that people wonder if I speak English, so a lot of times I'll introduce myself to people who appear to be peering at me out of the corner of their eyes. They either get really startled or they seem really relieved.


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    « Reply #8 on: October 23, 2011, 10:00:16 PM »
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  • I've been to the closest SSPX chapel on only one occasion for a high mass, and it was largely white with a few Mexicans and Asians (not sure if East Asian or Filipino of Chinese descent).  

    On the other hand the FSSP parish in the same city is probably 50% Filipino, 50% White/Hispanic (generally). The problem is that the choir is overwhelmingly Filipino (and they are best in the diocese, if not the state) so at the high masses there are a lot of Filipinos, whereas the low mass earlier in the morning is almost all white. The afternoon low mass attracts a lot of the Mexicans that either commute or live in the surrounding neighborhood. A lot of strange people (residents of the slum-like surroundings) also wander in from time to time to the afternoon low mass, which is why one shouldn't be quick to judge if they see a girl wearing supertight jeans and shirt walking in, etc. (the same is true for the cathedral in this town, where there are always homeless people of varying degrees of sanity wander in during mass, sometimes receiving Holy Communion)

    This is in a city where there are huge populations of Hispanics, Blacks, Chinese and Vietnamese along with Whites.

    There are also a few east asians that go to the said FSSP but they have eluded my detection (I just know from the mass intentions in the bulletin). The parish does have a very strong non-white presence though. This is probably one of the most established FSSP parishes in the West, if not the nation.

    While the SSPX and FSSP locations where in the same city, there are located at very different parts. The SSPX chapel is located in an older, mainly white area, whereas the FSSP is right in the middle of the Mexican/Asian/Black run down part of town. There is a wide variety of people (in terms of income, jobs, etc) that attend. A lot of home-schoolers and large families.

    In another city, where whites are the minority, I attended Holy Mass at a ICK oratory which was mainly white with 1 Mexican and 1 Vietnamese (there was only like 20 people though). There is a SSPX priory in a neighboring city which I have been told has a small Vietnamese group of chapel-goers that sing in the choir. I hope to attend Holy Mass there in the future, if that is pleasing to God.






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    « Reply #9 on: October 23, 2011, 10:44:38 PM »
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    By the way, Matthew, you have millionaires in your chapel? And a man who owns a nearly million dollar home? Or was that just an exaggerated example to make a point?


    Not at my chapel, but we do know millionaires who behave as I describe. Unfortunately, we are not that "close" to them :)

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    « Reply #10 on: October 23, 2011, 10:50:05 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
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    By the way, Matthew, you have millionaires in your chapel? And a man who owns a nearly million dollar home? Or was that just an exaggerated example to make a point?


    Not at my chapel, but we do know millionaires who behave as I describe. Unfortunately, we are not that "close" to them :)



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    « Reply #11 on: October 23, 2011, 11:04:36 PM »
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  • One of them is Catholic, the other is not.

    The one who is Catholic I actually don't know much about his finances (who does?) but I have good reasons/evidence to suspect he has a decent nest egg.
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    « Reply #12 on: October 24, 2011, 10:41:16 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
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    By the way, Matthew, you have millionaires in your chapel? And a man who owns a nearly million dollar home? Or was that just an exaggerated example to make a point?


    Not at my chapel, but we do know millionaires who behave as I describe. Unfortunately, we are not that "close" to them :)



    and that's how they probably became millionaires or at least that's how they may be keeping their money, by living like their neighbors who have less money.  

    Has anyone here read "The Millionaire Next Door"?  The main theme among millionaires is that they live way below their means and you could have one living next door to you and not even know it.  Of course, most or many of them lost much of their paper wealth in the last 3 years but that's another story, isn't it?

    Here's a summary of the book:
    Most millionaires drive older cars (average of 10 years old or so),
    own houses that are smaller or simpler than what they can afford,
    decorate their homes simply and inexpensively,
    wear clothes from JC Penney's or Sears,
    don't eat out all that much.  
    They may even homeschool or send their kids to public schools.  
    Many of them made their millions by working long and hard at some type of business but they may not have finished college.
     
    They don't look like they have lots of money and so one may be your next door neighbor who drives a 10+ year old Chevy truck and wears jeans and a flannel shirt to his Janitorial business, employing 50 hard-working people.

    These millionaires used to put a lot of their money in the stock market and so many of them lost much of their money since '08 and are no longer millionaires.  Have anyone seen articles lately about how the U.S. now has far fewer millionaires than there were in '07?  

    If you want to read the book, just borrow it from the library or get it for a penny plus shipping from Amazon if think you have to own it, but you probably don't need to spend money to put it on your shelf, since I already told you the main theme of the book:  Live below your means, and look like you don't have money.  Then you won't be tempted to try to keep up with whomever it is that you envy.  


    Of course, I'm sure that most if not all of us here are already working on living below our means and not envying our neighbors, but I doubt any of us expect to be millionaires.  I just hope to be able to retire some day, and hard work and trusting in God are my "main themes".    :stare:

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    « Reply #13 on: October 26, 2011, 05:16:17 PM »
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  • It's a big new place in Walton, Kentucky that Bp. Fellay just consecrated a few weeks ago. It is built into the side of a hill and looks like a real church. There are a lot of really big families who are very friendly, and a good sized school. There must be at least one millionaire, because it looks like the church cost a fortune! Everyone else should be so lucky!

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    « Reply #14 on: October 26, 2011, 07:53:36 PM »
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  • I grew up in and odd position having 2 chapels almost exactly apart from each other. Arcadia and Colton California. We'd attended both, but for the most part, my family attended the Colton chapel, which was more inland to the LA-close Arcadia Priory.

    Arcadia could well be seen as more well off monetarily both in the chapel itself and of the parishioners who would attend; here in California people do seem to show off their wealth more.  Funny thing is is that I never made any friends at the Arcadia chapel. No one seemed to want to stay after mass as much as Colton. Unfortunately the priest there, and also the head in the priory, Fr. Ward, seemed to mirror this attitude there. He was the one SSPX priest whom I'd never developed a bond with and actually whom I'd taken issue with on an entirely other matter much later on. But thats another story.

    Colton, being located in much less affluent Inland Empire of Calfornia, seemed more homey to me. People were more down to earth, and my parents and I felt right at home there. There were more children and young men and women my age. Unfortunately, in hindsight, I think my friends and I at the time were trying to live in two worlds; but that also is another matter. I wish I could have been more of an example to some of the others. Too bad I didn't know about CI then (perhaps it didn't exist? 2002-2006)

    Well thats my experience with SSPX chapels locally in high school, and immediately after. I'd also helped out quite a bit in the Carmichael Chapel (Sacramento) when in stationed in the military out there. I made very good friends with one of my favorite priests ever, Fr. Hewko. I assisted when I could, on my days off from the fire department, at the retreat center cleaning up; but I didn't get to do that as much as I'd wanted.


     

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