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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: What is Universal Peaceful Acceptance?
« Reply #105 on: October 22, 2019, 03:02:48 PM »
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At no time did I ever argue for UPA (or UA, whatever).  But you are too stupid to understand that.
Clemens, you were the 2nd person to respond to this thread, with the title being "Universal Peaceful Acceptance".  You argued an over-simplified "either Frank is your pope and you must obey him, etc, etc.." or "he's not the pope and etc, etc". 
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If that's not an argument related to (or for) UPA, then you shouldn't have posted on this thread at all.  We can only assume that your post was related to the SUBJECT OF THE THREAD.  If it was not, then who is stupid?
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Offline Clemens Maria

Re: What is Universal Peaceful Acceptance?
« Reply #106 on: October 22, 2019, 03:29:30 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on October 22, 2019, 03:02:48 PM
Clemens, you were the 2nd person to respond to this thread, with the title being "Universal Peaceful Acceptance".  You argued an over-simplified "either Frank is your pope and you must obey him, etc, etc.." or "he's not the pope and etc, etc".
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If that's not an argument related to (or for) UPA, then you shouldn't have posted on this thread at all.  We can only assume that your post was related to the SUBJECT OF THE THREAD.  If it was not, then who is stupid?
That post is in no way supportive of the UPA theory being pushed by the neo-SSPX.  You are still stupid.  You don't understand the arguments and then you make false statements about people based on your faulty understanding.

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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: What is Universal Peaceful Acceptance?
« Reply #107 on: October 22, 2019, 03:48:49 PM »
Your post was neither for or against, as I said earlier, you used it as a "gotcha" test.  You had no intention of having a civil debate on the thread's subject, you just wanted to be divisive...just like you're being now. 
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Offline forlorn

Re: What is Universal Peaceful Acceptance?
« Reply #108 on: October 22, 2019, 05:24:32 PM »
Quote from: Bellator Dei on October 22, 2019, 01:26:57 PM
Forlorn,

Could you provide the source for what you consider to be Saint Robert Bellarmine's distinction?  Or maybe a link or quote of some sort?  Thanks.    
https://www.fisheaters.com/bellarmine.html
The cardinals cannot depose the pope if he holds the spiritual office(the form), however they can depose the man who sits on the throne of St. Peter and calls himself pope(the matter) if he loses said office by separating himself from the Church. 
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Offline forlorn

Re: What is Universal Peaceful Acceptance?
« Reply #109 on: October 22, 2019, 05:27:25 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on October 22, 2019, 03:48:49 PM
Your post was neither for or against, as I said earlier, you used it as a "gotcha" test.  You had no intention of having a civil debate on the thread's subject, you just wanted to be divisive...just like you're being now.
His post just said that one ought to obey Francis if he is pope, and not if he is not. UPA doesn't tell you whether or not the true pope's orders are lawful and must be obeyed, and therefore it has nothing to do with the R&R position(it supports sedeplenism, of which R&R is a form, but UPA would have no implications for the resist part of Recognise&Resist).
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