Author Topic: What is Universal Peaceful Acceptance? (Read 31377 times)

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #80 on:** October 21, 2019, 02:47:17 PM »

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I can't believe how stupid you are. No sede is pushing universal acceptance of Conciliar popes. Who are the people pushing it here on CathInfo? It's XavierSem, Praeter, Salsa and Disco. All SSPX people. Get your head out of your ass!

Clemens Maria-
Here is your post below. The 2nd post on this entire thread. You spell out your false dichotomy beautifully.
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If you have love for ecclesiastical authority/jurisdiction, you have only 2 choices. Either Frank is the pope and you obey him and don’t worry about your salvation. Or Frank isn’t the pope and you don’t worry about recognizing him or his minions. Anything else is lukewarm/straddling the fence/worthless hedging. You don’t systematically resist the Vicar of Christ unless you have a death wish.

forlorn · « **Reply #81 on:** October 21, 2019, 02:55:45 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on October 21, 2019, 01:57:55 PM

Let's face it: The major pushers of this exaggerated UA theory are the sedes, who in their rabid quest to destroy anyone who sees the world differently, view UA in an extreme way, and use it as a "gotcha" test. They want to trap Trads into a false dichotomy where you either reject a V2 pope right off the bat, or you have to accept him for a lifetime...no ifs, ands, or buts (as is usual with their over-simplistic thinking). No theologian worth his salt would define UA in such a rigid manner.

UA, if true, would DISPROVE sedevacantism entirely. You're literally accusing sedes of pushing a theory that would disprove their position. Just blindly accusing your pet boogeyman of believing everything you disagree with.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #82 on:** October 21, 2019, 03:10:23 PM »

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UA, if true, would DISPROVE sedevacantism entirely.

If you'd been reading the last few pages, then you'd know that's not necessarily true.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #83 on:** October 21, 2019, 03:38:57 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on October 21, 2019, 01:57:55 PM

Let's face it: The major pushers of this exaggerated UA theory are the sedes, who in their rabid quest to destroy anyone who sees the world differently, view UA in an extreme way, and use it as a "gotcha" test. They want to trap Trads into a false dichotomy where you either reject a V2 pope right off the bat, or you have to accept him for a lifetime...no ifs, ands, or buts (as is usual with their over-simplistic thinking). No theologian worth his salt would define UA in such a rigid manner.

I see this as the opposite. UA is being pushed by R&R in an attempt to demonstrate that these men are legitimate popes.

UA is tangential to sedevacantism. Whether or not and to what extent Catholics must obey a legitimate pope is the point of dispute between sedevacantists/privationists and R&R.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #84 on:** October 21, 2019, 03:41:30 PM »

Quote from: Bellator Dei on October 21, 2019, 03:31:27 PM

This is what I was always taught...

Catholic Encyclopedia, 1911
Seems simple enough to me.

Yes, this seems to back that the UA is to be understood with regard to the election itself.

So in those historical cases where the Church came to accept another, the Church was in fact materially mistaken regarding the true identity of the pope.

Some theologians took UA so far as to say that even a false Pope would be convalidated by UA. We now see that as demonstrably false from cases like that of Anacletus.

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