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Author Topic: What is the source of sedevacantist bishops' jurisdiction?  (Read 10443 times)

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Offline Stubborn

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Re: What is the source of sedevacantist bishops' jurisdiction?
« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2018, 02:28:52 PM »
Idiot, you need to actually understand things in a Catholic context.  Like a buffoon, you read words, look them up in Webster's English dictionary, and then pontificate about theological matters of which you know absolutely nothing.  It's heretical to state that a Bishop without jurisdiction cannot validly confer orders.  In fact, if that's the case, the SSPX bishops are also invalid.  At various times in Church history, the Church has received back into the fold schismatic/heretical bishops who had in turn been consecrated by the same ... without requiring even so much as a conditional ordination/consecration.
All you are actually doing but apparently don't even realize it, is admitting that cuм ex is no longer in force, and I agree. It should be well known among the sedes that Pope St. Pius X abrogated it, but they insist it is still the law. My point is, as I said, "if you believe cuм ex is still in force...." then +Thuc, per cuм ex, had no power to confer orders and per the direction given in cuм ex, as a repented heretic, he was to be sentenced "to sequestration in any Monastery or other religious house in order to perform perpetual penance upon the bread of sorrow and the water of affliction." That is what cuм ex says.


 

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: What is the source of sedevacantist bishops' jurisdiction?
« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2018, 02:31:32 PM »
Read cuм ex, as it is written professor. You keep adding things to cuм ex that are not in it and contradict it - try hard as you can to avoid doing that from now on - I have confidence in you lad, you can do it!

So now you're adding to your ever-growing list of heresies the contention that orders conferred by heretics and schismatics are not valid.

You keep throwing out that expression "as it is written" while putting forth your own interpretation of what is written as being the same as what's written.  You are not the least bit different from any Protestant who takes Scripture out of context, misinterprets it, and then claims that his interpretation is the Word of God.  Between this and your Protestant view of the Magisterium, you are in fact a Protestant and not a Catholic.


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: What is the source of sedevacantist bishops' jurisdiction?
« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2018, 02:33:03 PM »
All you are actually doing but apparently don't even realize it, is admitting that cuм ex is no longer in force, and I agree.

No, what I'm saying is that cuм ex is not saying that heretic bishops lose the power to validly consecrate bishops or ordain priests.

Church law CANNOT strip Sacramental powers from those who hold them.  So, no Church law could mandate that a Mass offered by a laicized priest is not valid ... but only illicit and sinful.  If such a priest were to offer Mass even in the face of such "legislation" (which the Church has never attempted since she knows it has no force), it would still be valid given the essential requirements for validity.

Offline Stubborn

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Re: What is the source of sedevacantist bishops' jurisdiction?
« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2018, 05:31:26 AM »
So now you're adding to your ever-growing list of heresies the contention that orders conferred by heretics and schismatics are not valid.

You keep throwing out that expression "as it is written" while putting forth your own interpretation of what is written as being the same as what's written.  You are not the least bit different from any Protestant who takes Scripture out of context, misinterprets it, and then claims that his interpretation is the Word of God.  Between this and your Protestant view of the Magisterium, you are in fact a Protestant and not a Catholic.
You really should try to lose your NO confusion. Like so many other sedes, you keep accusing me of doing exactly what you yourself are doing. Just remember I'm not the one interpreting anything, I'm the one reading it as it is written. Have you ever even read cuм ex?

Offline Stubborn

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Re: What is the source of sedevacantist bishops' jurisdiction?
« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2018, 05:32:48 AM »
No, what I'm saying is that cuм ex is not saying that heretic bishops lose the power to validly consecrate bishops or ordain priests.

Church law CANNOT strip Sacramental powers from those who hold them.  So, no Church law could mandate that a Mass offered by a laicized priest is not valid ... but only illicit and sinful.  If such a priest were to offer Mass even in the face of such "legislation" (which the Church has never attempted since she knows it has no force), it would still be valid given the essential requirements for validity.
Yes, that is what you're admitting, you really should read cuм ex next chance you get.

I already said I agree with you, but you are disagreeing with cuм ex.