Author Topic: what is it that MOST makes you inclined to reject Novus Ordo? (Read 1571 times)

rosary93 · « **on:** June 13, 2017, 04:35:17 PM »

I have felt the presence of God at Novus Ordo Masses. I still would if i were allowed to go to Mass! A lot of phony priests are keeping me from going to Mass.. It's a long story what all I mean... maybe I will go into details later. But suffice it to say that there are some VERY peculiar things going on in the Church... and "peculiar" doesn't begin to say it... How about... forget Peculiar.. how about EVIL?

So what makes me realize that the NO is not "for real" is these bad priests making un-Christian decisions and persecuting CATHOLICS in the parish!!!!!!

and i could go on and on but I have to run...

Nadir · « **Reply #1 on:** June 13, 2017, 04:41:57 PM »

Countrychurch, we've been over and over this many times.

Why don't you go back and read the posts on which this has all been explained to you?

rosary93 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 13, 2017, 05:19:19 PM »

Gee.. so nice to be loved

no one says: "That's terrible! That shouldn't happen"

we see why there are more NO folks than not.. I mean, most people are like that: don't give a rat's patootie

St Jude Thaddeus · « **Reply #3 on:** June 13, 2017, 05:38:33 PM »

I reject the Novus Ordo because Father James F. Wathen, O.S.J. "The Great Sacrilege"

I strongly suggest that you read it and also the Ottaviani Intervention http://www.catholictradition.org/Eucharist/ottaviani.htm

The Novus Ordo was created on purpose to appease Protestants, Freemasons, and Jєωs by eliminating references to concepts that made those groups uncomfortable. It is truly, just like Cain's offering to God, "the fruit of human hands". I can't say with perfect certainty that is always valid or invalid, but I don't believe that it is pleasing to God, as the Tridentine and other traditional Masses are.

There are many more arguments against it and you can find some of them in the two links I posted and others by doing a quick web search.

rosary93 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 13, 2017, 05:44:48 PM »

Quote from: St Jude Thaddeus on June 13, 2017, 05:38:33 PM

I reject the Novus Ordo because Father James F. Wathen, O.S.J. "The Great Sacrilege"

I strongly suggest that you read it and also the Ottaviani Intervention http://www.catholictradition.org/Eucharist/ottaviani.htm

The Novus Ordo was created on purpose to appease Protestants, Freemasons, and Jєωs by eliminating references to concepts that made those groups uncomfortable. It is truly, just like Cain's offering to God, "the fruit of human hands". I can't say with perfect certainty that is always valid or invalid, but I don't believe that it is pleasing to God, as the Tridentine and other traditional Masses are.

There are many more arguments against it and you can find some of them in the two links I posted and others by doing a quick web search.

yes, but I didn't know that all those yrs I was attending NO masses. I am just now learning about how the Mass was fiddled with... True, I knew the priest no longer faced the altar and then there was that stupid hand-shaking nonsense that I never liked... but that's about all i knew about the innovations..

so... there were other things that would tend to indicate something is... not right here.. When just about every priest you meet seems to be self-absorbed or at least not into helping others... when every priest you meet is rude and uncaring and shoves all needy people off to the good old goveremnt... (and we know how awesome the goverment is, don't we?)... you begin to figure things out...

One time a couple yrs ago I left a "Catholic Church" after an unpleasant encounter w/ one of the deacons, and thought to myself "This is a Church?" and i wanted so badly to leave that "church"

i didn't b/c of the Real Presence and the Holy Mass.. I would never give those up. But part of me just wanted OUTA there...

TKGS · « **Reply #5 on:** June 13, 2017, 06:42:40 PM »

I was in third grade that fateful day when the Novus Ordo came to town. Even though the Archdiocese of Seattle was already using the all-English Mass and the Cranmer's Table, I saw the difference immediately. I didn't like it. From the very beginning I thought something was lost even though I didn't know what it was exactly. The parish my family attended was considered an "arch-conservative" parish so we didn't see a lot of the shenanigans that I've read about and later, as an adult when I found myself in other parts of the country, I would shop for a "conservative" parish.

But what actually opened my eyes to the Novus Ordo? I, too, read Father Wathen's, The Great Sacrilege. His book gave me an explanation for what bothered me for years and put it all into words rather than disjointed feelings. From there I continued to learn the Truths of the Faith (that had not been taught to me in CCD classes) and the truth of the Crisis.

Nadir believes that the members "rosary93" and "countrychurch" are one and the same individual. Is this as correct belief? Are you the same person?

Can you please stop making everything in your posts bold?

St Jude Thaddeus · « **Reply #6 on:** June 13, 2017, 06:47:38 PM »

Rosary 93,

What you felt was a perfectly justified reaction to an activity and an environment that you recognized was not Godly and Catholic. That's totally normal. I stopped going to Church for 15 years until our Blessed Mother steered me towards tradition and the Tridentine Mass.

But then I took the next step, and one you should take too. I realized that I couldn't base my practices purely on feelings or emotional reactions, although those are important too. I knew that I needed an intellectual foundation for my beliefs, and that's when I began to study my faith seriously. I especially like to read Church history and the lives of the saints. If you don't like to read or have time for it, look for on line videos and podcasts from verifiable Catholic sources and listen to them while you work or commute to work, exercise, or do your household chores. God does not expect us all to become canon lawyers, but He does demand from each of us a return on the invenstment he has made in us, just like in the parable of the talents given to the three servants. That means that each of us is obliged to educate ourselves in the Faith to the best of our abilities.

And, although I love this forum, don't blindly follow whatever advice you receive here. None of us are priests. Always verify any information you read here. And try to remember that all of us are under a great strain in this modern world and do not behave as charitably as we should sometimes. (I remember you mentioning that on another thread.)

LeDeg · « **Reply #7 on:** June 15, 2017, 01:54:00 PM »

For me, the Mass and rites in the NO woild have been foreign to my European ancestors. The beauty of the "old" is that it is the same as what my kin and the saints celebrated in centuries past. I have seen the most reverent NOs liturgies that can be witnessed today, and they don't come close.

Nothing makes me want to vomit more when I travel to Europe and walk in some of the greatest churches of what was once Christendom and lo and behold, there in the middle is a Masonic slab or 'dinner table', completely at odds with it's surroundings. It's vile.

Geremia · « **Reply #8 on:** June 16, 2017, 01:19:01 PM »

Several things:

Receiving a 1962 Missal (serendipitously!) and attending a true Catholic Mass showed me what is deficient in the Novus Ordo.
I knew grace did not flow from Novus Ordos when I kept living in mortal sin despite having the desire to get out of the sin. Novus Ordos did not meet my spiritual needs.
Novus Ordos are boring! I would go into a sleepy stupor trying to get through one.
My grandmother rejected the Novus Ordo.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #9 on:** June 16, 2017, 01:39:36 PM »

I seek truth. The Novus Ordo church is not of truth, it is the same hippy peace and love BS from the 60's. Been there seen that.

JPaul · « **Reply #10 on:** June 16, 2017, 02:13:41 PM »

It is not Catholic.

rosary93 · « **Reply #11 on:** June 17, 2017, 09:12:13 AM »

Quote from: St Jude Thaddeus on June 13, 2017, 06:47:38 PM

Rosary 93,

What you felt was a perfectly justified reaction to an activity and an environment that you recognized was not Godly and Catholic. That's totally normal. I stopped going to Church for 15 years until our Blessed Mother steered me towards tradition and the Tridentine Mass.

But then I took the next step, and one you should take too. I realized that I couldn't base my practices purely on feelings or emotional reactions, although those are important too. I knew that I needed an intellectual foundation for my beliefs, and that's when I began to study my faith seriously. I especially like to read Church history and the lives of the saints. If you don't like to read or have time for it, look for on line videos and podcasts from verifiable Catholic sources and listen to them while you work or commute to work, exercise, or do your household chores. God does not expect us all to become canon lawyers, but He does demand from each of us a return on the invenstment he has made in us, just like in the parable of the talents given to the three servants. That means that each of us is obliged to educate ourselves in the Faith to the best of our abilities.

And, although I love this forum, don't blindly follow whatever advice you receive here. None of us are priests. Always verify any information you read here. And try to remember that all of us are under a great strain in this modern world and do not behave as charitably as we should sometimes. (I remember you mentioning that on another thread.)

Thank you. I know my posts do not appear to show much erudition, but I have read the lives of (some) saints and I love nothing better than to read. These days I don't have much time for reading, sadly... but we all have our crosses, offered up to God through Jesus, who had the Ultimate Cross.. I don't spend a lot of time making my posts sound like they were written by St Thomas Aquinas... b/c I have limited time on the internet. But anyway, I have read Church history, read the entire Bible. That's not the problem. The problem is as you say in the first paragraph, "not Godly, not Catholic" (NO)
I had another experience in the Church the other day that... I mean words fail but I will try to come up with some... pathetic albeit more/less accurate words to describe what i went thorugh:
Hell?
Yes, amazingly, that little word says it all. I felt HUGE evil... the presence of Satan himself.. There are terrible, terrible things going on in the Church, and frankly, I am not sure what to do about it.. Go to Mass and forget anything else? I am not near a traditional Church..
:-[

rosary93 · « **Reply #12 on:** June 17, 2017, 09:14:43 AM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican on June 16, 2017, 01:39:36 PM

I seek truth. The Novus Ordo church is not of truth, it is the same hippy peace and love BS from the 60's. Been there seen that.

i never thought of it so much as hippy stuff frm the 60s
I guess b/c there's a kind of new term for the same thing: PC
yuckers

rosary93 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 17, 2017, 09:19:01 AM »

Quote from: Geremia on June 16, 2017, 01:19:01 PM

Several things:

Receiving a 1962 Missal (serendipitously!) and attending a true Catholic Mass showed me what is deficient in the Novus Ordo.
I knew grace did not flow from Novus Ordos when I kept living in mortal sin despite having the desire to get out of the sin. Novus Ordos did not meet my spiritual needs.
Novus Ordos are boring! I would go into a sleepy stupor trying to get through one.
My grandmother rejected the Novus Ordo.

I like traditional Masses but I disagree with you that the NO is boring and does not give grace. I have been to nothing but NO Masses the last decade or so.. b/c I didn't know there was much choice.. So here's what I have experienced: when the priest is sincere, meaning a true follower of Christ (not a member of a secret society, which frankly the antics of which are not secret anymore but i won't digress further), the Mass is good and wholesome and the Holy Spirit is there.. When the priest is a phony, I don't get anything out of it. No, actually, it is worse than that: I get a feeling of the devil... very, very creepy, which goes without saying, hopefully...

yeh..

Jovita · « **Reply #14 on:** June 17, 2017, 11:42:45 AM »

Quote from: TKGS on June 13, 2017, 06:42:40 PM

I was in third grade that fateful day when the Novus Ordo came to town. Even though the Archdiocese of Seattle was already using the all-English Mass and the Cranmer's Table, I saw the difference immediately. I didn't like it. From the very beginning I thought something was lost even though I didn't know what it was exactly. The parish my family attended was considered an "arch-conservative" parish so we didn't see a lot of the shenanigans that I've read about and later, as an adult when I found myself in other parts of the country, I would shop for a "conservative" parish.

I, too, was in third grade. A few months before school ended my parents stopped going to church and we moved. We moved across the country and they never set foot in a Catholic church, or any church again. I did not know why. I hated my parents for years. I did not know until a few years ago why they left. My older brother told me. They thought the church had apostasized. They were protecting us kids from the madness.
I attempted reconcilation a few times as an adult but received no help from the parishes so I wandered for years. I was recently restored by an Eastern Catholic church where my once Protestant husband converted.
The biggest hurdle for me to deal with is people outstretching a single hand, palm up, to received the Eucharist. Even seen a nun do that, I just lost it. I cry during communion and have to leave forthwith. I have only ever received once, Divine Mercy Sunday the year my dad died.
Lutherans have more respect for the Eucharist, they kneel and hold both hands together, right hand over left. Isn't that what NO types were taught? How quickly it degrades.
Lord, come quickly
We are starving
And die each day without you.

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