Author Topic: What is Bergoglio doing? (Read 1527 times)

Petertherock · « **on:** January 06, 2014, 06:13:56 AM »

This is then Cardinal Bergoglio doing confirmations and after he makes the sign of the cross on the foreheads he looks like he is doodling. I am thinking maybe he's signing his autograph since he's so humble and everything...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/embed/3bpOc_0-Dqg[/youtube]

Stubborn · « **Reply #1 on:** January 06, 2014, 08:19:37 AM »

Looks like after he makes the sign of the cross, he erases it.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #2 on:** January 06, 2014, 08:32:13 AM »

What are we doing????

poche · « **Reply #3 on:** January 06, 2014, 09:01:24 AM »

He is annointing their head with chrism.

s2srea · « **Reply #4 on:** January 06, 2014, 02:21:50 PM »

Quote from: poche

He is annointing their head with chrism.

And then........?

LoverOfTradition · « **Reply #5 on:** January 06, 2014, 02:51:44 PM »

I don't like it. He isn't supposed to rub the oil around like that. He still does it as Pope. I watched the Confirmations he did in St. Peter's and got an uneasy feeling about it. I wondered what the heck he was doing.

2Vermont · « **Reply #6 on:** January 06, 2014, 03:00:21 PM »

It appears that there are two different groups of confirmations. He appears to be doing the correct thing in the first group. I couldn't even begin to speculate WTH he's doing with the second group.

Frances · « **Reply #7 on:** January 06, 2014, 04:18:11 PM »

:dancing-banana:
BIZARRE!
It looks as if he is making rays on top of the cross. To the woman in the black coat, he gives her a scalp massage? And what's with the smooching? Does it now replace a slap to DEMONstrate friendship with the world? If Bp. Williamson had kissed me upon Confirmation, I'd have returned the favour with a slap, or maybe a right hook! Nothing personal against Bp. W., but.......
Who goes to his (or her) Confirmation in grungy jeans and a T-shirt?

Judas Machabeus · « **Reply #8 on:** January 06, 2014, 06:03:51 PM »

Cardinal Bergoglio is first making the sign of the cross on the confirmand's forehead, and then rubbing the holy oil over the whole forehead.

It seems that he simply wants to cover the forehead with holy oil after making the sign of the cross. That's all.

Edited: I found this in a pastoral "sourcebook":

"Use a generous amount of chrism. Let the symbolism of the sacrament speak, making sure the smear the forehead with the Sign of the Cross, which, ritually, distinguishes Confirmation from the postbaptismal anointing of infants."

poche · « **Reply #9 on:** January 07, 2014, 02:13:43 AM »

Quote from: LoverOfTradition

I don't like it. He isn't supposed to rub the oil around like that. He still does it as Pope. I watched the Confirmations he did in St. Peter's and got an uneasy feeling about it. I wondered what the heck he was doing.

The rite calls for an anointing. It doesn't say how much or little.

s2srea · « **Reply #10 on:** January 07, 2014, 08:21:41 AM »

Quote from: poche

Quote from: LoverOfTradition
I don't like it. He isn't supposed to rub the oil around like that. He still does it as Pope. I watched the Confirmations he did in St. Peter's and got an uneasy feeling about it. I wondered what the heck he was doing.

The rite calls for an anointing. It doesn't say how much or little.

Maybe we can use mops and just smother, err, I mean anoint the entire person with vegetable, err, I mean holy oil! Hey, the more then merrier!

crossbro · « **Reply #11 on:** January 07, 2014, 11:09:56 AM »

The Seal is a permanent mark.

I can still remember the feel of the sign of the cross marked on my forehead. Can outline the shape of it even.

Thank goodness my priest did not smear me.

Nadir · « **Reply #12 on:** January 07, 2014, 02:32:08 PM »

Quote from: crossbro

Thank goodness my priest did not smear me.

Is this a typo? Or were you "confirmed" by a priest (non-bishop)?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #13 on:** January 07, 2014, 04:07:28 PM »

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What we have here is an implicit denial of Tradition. When have bishops done this in the past, smearing the chrism all over the recipient's face like it's a facial treatment at the spa? I can imagine Curly Joe or Larry in the Three Stooges or Lou Costello or Stan Laurel doing this. Then Moe would step in and slap their faces, or Abbot would crab at Lou, or Ollie would ask, "Stanley, just WHAT do you think you are DOING?!" And he would cry, "Wobobobobo, I was just doing this oiley thingy here......."

It's just another novelty. He has tried really hard to be a TREND-SETTER in doctrine but it's not quite catching on, so he's going for plan B -- new gimmicks in the sacraments.

In Argentina he sat by while dancers did the TANGO in the sanctuary. That was innovative. And then he was elected POPE. That was pretty innovative, too.

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Memento · « **Reply #14 on:** January 07, 2014, 04:35:47 PM »

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#4 by Fr. Allan J. McDonald on May 11, 2012 - 2:33 pm
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The five things I remember from being Confirmed in the 4th grade in 1962 was (1) being able to go to the top step of the altar where the bishop was sitting, (2)kneeling before him and awaiting the (3) tap on the cheek which we were warned would be a “sock in the face” but it wasn’t. It was very light and gentle. I remember the (4)smell of the sacred chrism and then going back to the pew and stopping at the altar railing to have a priest use cotton (5) to remove the sacred chrism which I thought was a bit odd even as a 4th grader....."

This is what I remember when my daughter was confirmed in the old rite : the cotton was used by the attending priest to daub the excess chrism which is a sacramental.

In the new rite of confirmation, this supposedly blessed oil is left all over the confirmand's forehead to be washed off later or wiped up by a tissue and then thrown in the garbage. It shows no respect for the blessing contained in the sacramental....maybe because it does not have one.