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Title: What is behind Francis' Rehabitilitation of Judas?
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on December 06, 2017, 11:24:11 PM
'What is behind Francis' Rehabilitation of Judas?

http://traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/P046_Judas.htm
Title: Re: What is behind Francis' Rehabitilitation of Judas?
Post by: Kreuzritter on December 07, 2017, 08:12:49 AM
"Precisely because God in Christ gave himself up to the power of
darkness
  and  all  destructive  cosmic  powers,  he  thereby  made  the
Eucharist-flesh consumed, blood poured out—to be a communion
between what appears absolutely mutually exclusive
. In John, the
morsel  is  actually  given  to  Judas  (Jn  13:26)."
- Hans Urs von Balthasar

I kid you not.
Title: Re: What is behind Francis' Rehabitilitation of Judas?
Post by: Last Tradhican on December 07, 2017, 08:29:08 AM
'What is behind Francis' Rehabilitation of Judas?

http://traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/P046_Judas.htm
The link is a must read. Wow! Just when you thought Bergolio cud not sink any lower he surprises you.

By their deeds you shall know them. 

And the SSPX wants to join this nut case.
Title: Re: What is behind Francis' Rehabitilitation of Judas?
Post by: Cantarella on December 07, 2017, 09:06:08 AM
This is quite disturbing.

The devil is what is behind Francis' Rehabilitation of Judas.
Title: Re: What is behind Francis' Rehabitilitation of Judas?
Post by: AJNC on December 07, 2017, 09:15:12 AM
Bergoglio and Judas are kindred spirits.
Title: Re: What is behind Francis' Rehabitilitation of Judas?
Post by: Ladislaus on December 07, 2017, 10:14:19 AM
Francis claims that Judas sincerely repented when he wanted to return the money ... without evidence; feeling guilty is not the same as repenting.  It's the same guilt that led him to kill himself ... and when you kill yourself that's not true repentance but self-absorbed guilt.

When Our Lord said that it would have been better for him had he never been born, that pretty much cements it, no?  If Judas was saved, then this statement would be false.
Title: Re: What is behind Francis' Rehabitilitation of Judas?
Post by: Cantarella on December 07, 2017, 01:11:31 PM
Francis claims that Judas sincerely repented when he wanted to return the money ... without evidence; feeling guilty is not the same as repenting.  It's the same guilt that led him to kill himself ... and when you kill yourself that's not true repentance but self-absorbed guilt.

When Our Lord said that it would have been better for him had he never been born, that pretty much cements it, no?  If Judas was saved, then this statement would be false.

True. Judas committed the sin of desperation. If he had repented, then he had obtained mercy; but he did not. By hanging himself he took away all means of mercy and salvation, because he died finally impenitent. The Church has known this fact and therefore has considered Judas to be certainly in Hell. (Only Judas is for certain). I think there is something very suspicious and nothing less than diabolical with the progressive theology in Judas' defense.  
Title: Re: What is behind Francis' Rehabitilitation of Judas?
Post by: Kreuzritter on December 07, 2017, 01:29:01 PM
I was under the impression that Judas's reprobation is known and "of the faith" from Jesus' words: "The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man shall be betrayed: it were better for him, if that man had not been born." Interesntingly, that verse also appears to give lie to the false idea of Hell as the eternal destruction of the soul - to have lived as Judas and to have ceased to exist is surely better than have never existed at all, no matter how badly it ended.

The only others "named" to be certainly in Hell by the end of time would be the Antichrist and the False Prophet, I presume.
Title: Re: What is behind Francis' Rehabitilitation of Judas?
Post by: Ladislaus on December 07, 2017, 02:55:28 PM
I was under the impression that Judas's reprobation is known and "of the faith" from Jesus' words: "The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man shall be betrayed: it were better for him, if that man had not been born."

Yeah, I don't see any way around this short of denying the inerrancy of Scripture ... which Bergoglio undoubtedly does.  If he was saved, then this statement is flat out false.
Title: Re: What is behind Francis' Rehabitilitation of Judas?
Post by: tornpage on December 07, 2017, 03:58:53 PM
Yeah, I don't see any way around this short of denying the inerrancy of Scripture ... which Bergoglio undoubtedly does.  If he was saved, then this statement is flat out false.


Being called the "son of perdition" (John 17)  :o   is a pretty good "clue" too that he wasn't. 
Title: Re: What is behind Francis' Rehabitilitation of Judas?
Post by: tornpage on December 07, 2017, 04:04:05 PM
John 17:12

While I was with them, I kept them in thy name. Those whom thou gavest me have I kept; and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition, that the scripture may be fulfilled.

Pretty clear there. 
Title: Re: What is behind Francis' Rehabitilitation of Judas?
Post by: Last Tradhican on December 07, 2017, 05:25:11 PM
Bergolio is a total goofball, a clown. He couldn't be more obvious and yet the SSPX wants to join him!
Title: Re: What is behind Francis' Rehabitilitation of Judas?
Post by: roscoe on December 07, 2017, 11:10:46 PM
Anti-pope Frank 1 :sleep: