Author Topic: What in the Hell are they Doing? (Read 5076 times)

JohnAnthonyMarie · « **Reply #10 on:** July 25, 2016, 11:13:36 PM »

I was not talking about the specifics of BoD here, but merely providing the requested example of illicit activity. I would prefer that the poisonous opinions of pretend monks remain quarantined in the appropriate subsection.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #11 on:** July 26, 2016, 05:16:59 AM »

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I said this before and I will say it again, when I first heard about SSPX shortly after I came to CMRI, I was told by so many that SSPX would eventually take their laity back into Vatican II through the back door, and that is what I see.

I'm afraid this is true. Satan tries to get people through various organizations and apostates who are more awake to reality than the NO's. He does this through SBS, the Dimonds and the R & R's. I would not be the least surprised if there are plants within the SV to undermine the position as well through their words and actions.

How do the Dimonds do this? Proof?

The Dimonds take quotes out of context and cut out quotes that do not fit their agenda. It has been proven that they are intellectually dishonest. They lied about me once also so I witnessed this first hand but I have seen it proven in a Griff Ruby article. The proof is in black and white and cannot be denied. Like many Feeneyites they are not only hateful but they lie. And they really have no idea what they are talking about. As if Pius V did not understand what Boniface meant or as if Pius XII contradicted himself or all the approved catechisms were wrong on this one point. But people fall for it. It is incredible. And people that know better let them instead of defending the truth.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #12 on:** July 26, 2016, 05:23:34 AM »

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I said this before and I will say it again, when I first heard about SSPX shortly after I came to CMRI, I was told by so many that SSPX would eventually take their laity back into Vatican II through the back door, and that is what I see.

I'm afraid this is true. Satan tries to get people through various organizations and apostates who are more awake to reality than the NO's. He does this through SBS, the Dimonds and the R & R's. I would not be the least surprised if there are plants within the SV to undermine the position as well through their words and actions.

So the Dimonds are tools of satan. And what about R&R? Are you really saying that the SSPX is a tool of satan to deceive? The resistance is R&R also. So the resistance is a tool of satan to deceive? What are you doing here? If you think the R&R traditional groups are tools of satan to deceive what are you doing here? This is officially an R&R forum. Why don't you go and haunt a sedevacantist forum with your slanders of those R&R supporters?

I'm willing to grant any legitimate point you have. Please show me from any weighty work, pre-V2 catechism or theologian or better where a public heretic can be Pope.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #13 on:** July 26, 2016, 05:24:51 AM »

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I said this before and I will say it again, when I first heard about SSPX shortly after I came to CMRI, I was told by so many that SSPX would eventually take their laity back into Vatican II through the back door, and that is what I see.

I'm afraid this is true. Satan tries to get people through various organizations and apostates who are more awake to reality than the NO's. He does this through SBS, the Dimonds and the R & R's. I would not be the least surprised if there are plants within the SV to undermine the position as well through their words and actions.

How do the Dimonds do this? Proof?

They teach without formation, authority, or oversight.

And they deceive and lie. They quite, frankly do not know what they are talking about when it comes to the BOD aspect of EENS.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #14 on:** July 26, 2016, 05:32:07 AM »

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the R & R's.

Father Shell supported the SSPX, and Bishop Williamson provided the Sacrament of Confirmation for him. I had the great honor of hearing a Confirmation sermon from Bishop Williamson that I consider one of the most inspiration of my life. I personally observe a condition of sede vacante that has befallen the Catholic Church, at the same time I support the R&R position that (to my understanding) is associated with Bishop Williamson.

There is no doubt that some holy people can be R & R. Many put SVs to shame in regards to personal sanctify probably, just a guess, I don't know, but I'm willing to grant it as I know it is possible. Many R & R's will be saved. SV is not officially bound on anyone.

All that being said, it if we can stick to the brass tacks here, as the bald truth should be all that interests us.

1. Is it Catholic to refuse submission to a valid Pope

2. Is it Catholic to accept a non-Catholic/public heretic as a valid Pope

I can certainly tolerate other people disagreeing, but their disagreement has to be based on Catholic teaching - they have to argue WHY the position that one must submit to the Pope and that a public heretic cannot be Pope wrong, and not simply say, "Oh man, that is so radical, so mean, you narrow-minded!"