Author Topic: What if CI members only consisted of sspx and resistance types? (Read 2976 times)

PG · « **on:** February 19, 2018, 06:57:42 PM »

What do you think would happen if we did not have feeneyites, dogmatic vacantists, and flat earthers as members here on CI? What would we talk about? Would more like minded members join? Or, would it not affect who joins CI? Or, would the feeneyites, dogmatic sedes, and flat earthers just shape shift and create some new and different errors to pester us with constantly?

Luke3 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 19, 2018, 07:08:36 PM »

Quote from: PG on February 19, 2018, 06:57:42 PM

What do you think would happen if we did not have feeneyites, dogmatic vacantists, and flat earthers as members here on CI? What would we talk about? Would more like minded members join? Or, would it not affect who joins CI? Or, would the feeneyites, dogmatic sedes, and flat earthers just shape shift and create some new and different errors to pester us with constantly?

I'm not sure, but are you slanting all Sedevacantists as flat earthers? Do you believe there is salvation outside the Catholic church?

Nadir · « **Reply #2 on:** February 19, 2018, 08:31:33 PM »

Quote from: PG on February 19, 2018, 06:57:42 PM

feeneyites, dogmatic vacantists, and flat earthers

He asks an interesting question though.
I am none of the above, neither am I sspx or resistance. I'm just plain Catholic.

Cantarella · « **Reply #3 on:** February 19, 2018, 08:38:49 PM »

Then CI would be an echo chamber as many other wannabe micro-forums out there.

There is a reason why CI has been around this long and it is probably the best Traditional Catholic forum around. Having different perspectives do help, especially to those with the intellectual honesty of hearing other's points of views.

Student of Qi · « **Reply #4 on:** February 19, 2018, 09:08:06 PM »

Actually, I know some rather intelligent people who don't bother with this site because in the more learned circles this place is full of clowns who can't be told anything. Hardheads, idiots, schismatics, heretics. That is the reputation this place has. Admittedly, I think those critics drop in once in a while. Lol

PG · « **Reply #5 on:** February 19, 2018, 09:58:48 PM »

Quote from: Luke3 on February 19, 2018, 07:08:36 PM

I'm not sure, but are you slanting all Sedevacantists as flat earthers? Do you believe there is salvation outside the Catholic church?

I never said in my OP that all or even any vacantists are flat earth. Perhaps if I did not use a comma, and instead said feeneyite vacantist flat earthers, one could deduce such.

As to your second question, read the old testament; God has mercy on the widow and the fatherless. Does that state exist in non catholic societies and cultures? I think so. What exactly that means, I do not say I know. Outside of BOD/BOB for catechumens, I let God be God.

Matthew · « **Reply #6 on:** February 19, 2018, 10:04:03 PM »

Quote from: Student of Qi on February 19, 2018, 09:08:06 PM

Actually, I know some rather intelligent people who don't bother with this site because in the more learned circles this place is full of clowns who can't be told anything. Hardheads, idiots, schismatics, heretics. That is the reputation this place has. Admittedly, I think those critics drop in once in a while. Lol

That description could apply to any significant group of Catholics, of whatever "persuasion" of the Trad world. Any REAL, unfiltered, outside one's "safe zone" or "bubble world" cross section of Catholics is going to look, sound and act exactly like CathInfo.

The alternative would be that I personally attract more than average stubborn, weirdos, Feeneyites, Flat Earthers, etc.

But I have to reject that possibility, since I'm not Sede, Feeneyite, and I'm certainly not sold on Flat Earth. And personally, I constantly preach "a return to basics" of the Traditional Movement, to a time when Trads kept everything in perspective and there were a lot less artificial divisions/categories in place. So if people were following my lead, they would be getting along with each other, not fighting like cats and dogs.

So I can only conclude that such is what you find in the average Trad Catholic today.

CathInfo is the St. Mary's, KS of Trad forums. That is to say, it's like everywhere else, only there's 50X more of EVERYTHING. More learned members, more news, more information, more idiots, more trolls... you get the idea.

CathInfo isn't hosted in heaven, nor do heavenly citizens get to sign up for accounts. We're all fallen human beings here, born in Original Sin, baptized but still bearing the wounds of Original Sin on our souls. To expect perfection just because we're Trads is naive and not very realistic.

PG · « **Reply #7 on:** February 19, 2018, 10:08:56 PM »

Quote from: Nadir on February 19, 2018, 08:31:33 PM

He asks an interesting question though.
I am none of the above, neither am I sspx or resistance. I'm just plain Catholic.

Yes, concerning vacantism, when one invokes morality(which is dogmatic) to either defend or promote their theory, then I would say they have become dogmatic. When one thinks it a mortal sin to pray for the pope(whom Christ prays for) in the canon of the mass, then you have become dogmatic.

Matthew · « **Reply #8 on:** February 19, 2018, 10:10:09 PM »

Remember that silly campaign for the Charlie Hebdo magazine, "Je suis Charlie" or, "I am Charlie"?

How about "I am CathInfo" -- applied to each one of you reading this? Maybe put it on a T-shirt, or say it aloud as you look in the mirror?

CathInfo is little more than the grouping of hundreds of different English-speaking Traditional Catholics all over the world, into one place where they can meet, discuss, and share information. The forum is nothing more or less than what YOU, YOU, and YOU each make of it.

BE THE CHANGE you want to see in the world. If that sounds too hopelessly ambitious in its original context (changing the world), how about just applied to CathInfo? The forum isn't THAT large. If a few people decided they were going to post more spiritual or beneficial content, people would soon notice.

It's just a few loudmouths that give the "reputation" that Student of Qi speaks of. There is plenty of good content on CathInfo if you learn how to browse a topic page, and ignore the idiots. Yes, that takes self-discipline to not click that enticing (like a train wreck) link.

Student of Qi · « **Reply #9 on:** February 19, 2018, 10:10:34 PM »

Quote from: Matthew on February 19, 2018, 10:04:03 PM

That description could apply to any significant group of Catholics, of whatever "persuasion" of the Trad world. Any REAL, unfiltered, outside one's "safe zone" or "bubble world" cross section of Catholics is going to look, sound and act exactly like CathInfo.

The alternative would be that I personally attract more than average stubborn, weirdos, Feeneyites, Flat Earthers, etc.

But I have to reject that possibility, since I'm not Sede, Feeneyite, and I'm certainly not sold on Flat Earth. And personally, I constantly preach "a return to basics" of the Traditional Movement, to a time when Trads kept everything in perspective and there were a lot less artificial divisions/categories in place. So if people were following my lead, they would be getting along with each other, not fighting like cats and dogs.

So I can only conclude that such is what you find in the average Trad Catholic today.

CathInfo is the St. Mary's, KS of Trad forums. That is to say, it's like everywhere else, only there's 50X more of EVERYTHING. More learned members, more news, more information, more idiots, more trolls... you get the idea.

CathInfo isn't hosted in heaven, nor do heavenly citizens get to sign up for accounts. We're all fallen human beings here, born in Original Sin, baptized but still bearing the wounds of Original Sin on our souls. To expect perfection just because we're Trads is naive and not very realistic.

Good point.
By the way, do you think we could get a petition together and see if it aint possible to get a few Heavenly denizens to join the forum? Even one would be good! ;D

PG · « **Reply #10 on:** February 19, 2018, 10:30:13 PM »

Quote from: Cantarella on February 19, 2018, 08:38:49 PM

Then CI would be an echo chamber as many other wannabe micro-forums out there.

There is a reason why CI has been around this long and it is probably the best Traditional Catholic forum around. Having different perspectives do help, especially to those with the intellectual honesty of hearing other's points of views.

Why would it be an echo chamber? Would we fail to attract new members? Is the communion of the saints not delightful? In heaven the church is one, in fact it is a mark of the church. And, CI, with these differences, cannot be described as one. And, your perspective and outlook suggests that without your feeneyism/contributions we here at CI condemned to a hellish chamber. That makes your feeneyism come off as quite dogmatic.

Matthew · « **Reply #11 on:** February 19, 2018, 10:38:13 PM »

Leaving Feeneyism aside for the moment, the simple answer to why there is disagreement and strife among Trads on CathInfo is simple:

1. We are fallen human beings more or less lacking in virtue, with all the usual wounds of original sin (inclination to error, pride, stubbornness, etc.)
2. "Strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be dispersed." When it comes to a principle of unity, there is no substitute for a Catholic Pope. So in a Crisis like the one we're living in, when the Pope takes up the work of dismantling the Church with his own hands, it's LITERALLY a case of "Heaven help us!"

PG · « **Reply #12 on:** February 19, 2018, 10:46:25 PM »

Quote from: Matthew on February 19, 2018, 10:38:13 PM

Leaving Feeneyism aside for the moment, the simple answer to why there is disagreement and strife among Trads on CathInfo is simple:

1. We are fallen human beings more or less lacking in virtue, with all the usual wounds of original sin (inclination to error, pride, stubbornness, etc.)
2. "Strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be dispersed." When it comes to a principle of unity, there is no substitute for a Catholic Pope. So in a Crisis like the one we're living in, when the Pope takes up the work of dismantling the Church with his own hands, it's LITERALLY a case of "Heaven help us!"

Well, I personally think that outside of your defensive and persuasive skills, your fidelity to the resistance bishops is what keeps this place afloat. However, don't forget, the bishops are in a life boat. And, God didn't tell noah to build a lifeboat.

PG · « **Reply #13 on:** February 19, 2018, 11:38:25 PM »

Quote from: Student of Qi on February 19, 2018, 09:08:06 PM

Actually, I know some rather intelligent people who don't bother with this site because in the more learned circles this place is full of clowns who can't be told anything. Hardheads, idiots, schismatics, heretics. That is the reputation this place has. Admittedly, I think those critics drop in once in a while. Lol

My concern is that I do not know who I am chatting with in the sense of what they believe. And, I can almost say this with certainty. I do not want to open up intellectually and have a thorough conversation with people that do not believe what I or the bishops I hold in high regard believe. So, my existence here on cathinfo is relegated to quick, sharp, yet hopefully penetrating remarks. Perhaps it is for my own sake, but I like to think it is for others sake as well. I simply do not want to team up or commune with people who believe in water or hellfire feeneyism, false authority vacantism , or flat earth bubble boys.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #14 on:** February 20, 2018, 08:58:51 AM »

Quote from: PG on February 19, 2018, 06:57:42 PM

What do you think would happen if we did not have feeneyites, dogmatic vacantists, and flat earthers as members here on CI? What would we talk about? Would more like minded members join? Or, would it not affect who joins CI? Or, would the feeneyites, dogmatic sedes, and flat earthers just shape shift and create some new and different errors to pester us with constantly?

It would then be a typical Protestant church on the corner, where everybody is there because it mirrors what they already believe.

"One man with conviction will overwhelm one hundred with just opinions ".

These people you describe all have conviction, which you do not, for if you did you would not give them the importance that you do.

I have no problem with sedevacantes, I have no problem with "flat Earthers, and I do not have a problem with people who limit their belief in baptism of desire to the catechumen.

As for people who believe that baptism of desire means that non-Catholics, Jєωs, Mohamedans, Buddhists, Hindus etc. can be saved by their belief in a god that rewards, I look upon them the same as I look upon any Novus Ordite, they are the cause of the success of the Vatican II religion, whether they are Sede, SSPX, or Indult.

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