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Re: What if CI members only consisted of sspx and resistance types?
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2018, 09:20:26 AM »
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  • Leaving Feeneyism aside for the moment, the simple answer to why there is disagreement and strife among Trads on CathInfo is simple:

    Well, the Feeney forum has been very quiet of late ... as flat earth has become all the rage.

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    Re: What if CI members only consisted of sspx and resistance types?
    « Reply #16 on: February 20, 2018, 09:23:17 AM »
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  • I for one enjoy coming here precisely to mix it up with people who have (even strongly) opposing viewpoints.  It would be incredibly boring here, and I would very rarely post, if everyone else here was a clone of myself.

    I even enjoy mixing it up with the guy who says that Paul VI is still alive and is the legitimate pope.

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    Re: What if CI members only consisted of sspx and resistance types?
    « Reply #17 on: February 20, 2018, 10:24:20 AM »
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  • That description could apply to any significant group of Catholics, of whatever "persuasion" of the Trad world. Any REAL, unfiltered, outside one's "safe zone" or "bubble world" cross section of Catholics is going to look, sound and act exactly like CathInfo.

    The alternative would be that I personally attract more than average stubborn, weirdos, Feeneyites, Flat Earthers, etc.

    But I have to reject that possibility, since I'm not Sede, Feeneyite, and I'm certainly not sold on Flat Earth. And personally, I constantly preach "a return to basics" of the Traditional Movement, to a time when Trads kept everything in perspective and there were a lot less artificial divisions/categories in place. So if people were following my lead, they would be getting along with each other, not fighting like cats and dogs.

    So I can only conclude that such is what you find in the average Trad Catholic today.

    CathInfo is the St. Mary's, KS of Trad forums.  That is to say, it's like everywhere else, only there's 50X more of EVERYTHING. More learned members, more news, more information, more idiots, more trolls... you get the idea.

    CathInfo isn't hosted in heaven, nor do heavenly citizens get to sign up for accounts. We're all fallen human beings here, born in Original Sin, baptized but still bearing the wounds of Original Sin on our souls. To expect perfection just because we're Trads is naive and not very realistic.

    Well said, especially the last paragraph. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: What if CI members only consisted of sspx and resistance types?
    « Reply #18 on: February 20, 2018, 10:29:37 AM »
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  • What do you think would happen if we did not have feeneyites, dogmatic vacantists, and flat earthers as members here on CI?  What would we talk about?  Would more like minded members join?  Or, would it not affect who joins CI?  Or, would the feeneyites, dogmatic sedes, and flat earthers just shape shift and create some new and different errors to pester us with constantly?  
    I TOLD YOU THAT WE ARE TORTURING SELF-PROFESSING GLOBE EARTHERS ON CATHINFO! WE RULE THEM! :incense: :applause: :) :D ;D 8) :popcorn:
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    Re: What if CI members only consisted of sspx and resistance types?
    « Reply #19 on: February 20, 2018, 11:05:58 AM »
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  • But I have to reject that possibility, since I'm not Sede, Feeneyite, and I'm certainly not sold on Flat Earth. And personally, I constantly preach "a return to basics" of the Traditional Movement, to a time when Trads kept everything in perspective and there were a lot less artificial divisions/categories in place. So if people were following my lead, they would be getting along with each other, not fighting like cats and dogs.

    How can we "return to basics," and what are those basics? I have to wonder if it's too late to return to basics, but I would like to see that happen. The divisiveness gets old. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: What if CI members only consisted of sspx and resistance types?
    « Reply #20 on: February 20, 2018, 11:18:29 AM »
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  • I started this topic as an indirect response to matthews reply to his OP about the recent EC.  Matthew lamented why we all talk about precisely these things I listed in my OP instead of talking about going back to basics.  I usually don't like to take a stab at matthew, so I gave him a pass.  But, it begs the question, why does he allow these types on the forum?  It is like what scripture says about friends.  When you become "friends" with rejects quite frankly, goodness loses.
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15

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    Re: What if CI members only consisted of sspx and resistance types?
    « Reply #21 on: February 20, 2018, 11:29:20 AM »
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  • When you become "friends" with rejects quite frankly, goodness loses.

    That's very strong, and, quite frankly, rather arrogant ... to call people who don't agree with your positions "rejects".

    Hey, I have an idea.  Start your own forum and only allow your own positions to be reflected there.  PM your own "friends" here on CI and invite them over there.  You may get a post or two on that forum once a month.

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    Re: What if CI members only consisted of sspx and resistance types?
    « Reply #22 on: February 20, 2018, 11:40:14 AM »
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  • It would be incredibly boring here, and I would very rarely post, if everyone else here was a clone of myself.

    No surprise, there is contradiction here.  You are on the fence at best with a consistent history of favoring feeneyism and sedevacantism.  So, if there were less feeneyites and vacantists here, you would be according to you, posting even more.  Because, fewer here would be a clone of yourself.  However, what would you be posting about?  You couldn't post in favor of feeneyism and vacantism.  

    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15

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    Re: What if CI members only consisted of sspx and resistance types?
    « Reply #23 on: February 20, 2018, 11:44:14 AM »
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  • Good point.
    By the way, do you think we could get a petition together and see if it aint possible to get a few Heavenly denizens to join the forum?  Even one would be good! ;D

    And where do you think I post from Student?

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    Re: What if CI members only consisted of sspx and resistance types?
    « Reply #24 on: February 20, 2018, 11:45:18 AM »
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  • No surprise, there is contradiction here.  You are on the fence at best with a consistent history of favoring feeneyism and sedevacantism.  So, if there were less feeneyites and vacantists here, you would be according to you, posting even more.  Because, fewer here would be a clone of yourself.  However, what would you be posting about?  You couldn't post in favor of feeneyism and vacantism.  

    I've mixed it up with dogmatic sedevacantists and dogmatic Feeneyites as much as with anyone else.

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    Re: What if CI members only consisted of sspx and resistance types?
    « Reply #25 on: February 20, 2018, 11:49:01 AM »
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  •   But, it begs the question, why does he allow these types on the forum?  It is like what scripture says about friends.  When you become "friends" with rejects quite frankly, goodness loses.

    Who is it that gets to determine who the "rejects" are? You?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: What if CI members only consisted of sspx and resistance types?
    « Reply #26 on: February 20, 2018, 11:54:45 AM »
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  • That's very strong, and, quite frankly, rather arrogant ... to call people who don't agree with your positions "rejects".

    Hey, I have an idea.  Start your own forum and only allow your own positions to be reflected there.  PM your own "friends" here on CI and invite them over there.  You may get a post or two on that forum once a month.
    These are not my positions.  And, the only reason you do not find yourself more frequently in such a category is because you seem to have a talent for keeping your mouth shut, sadly I suspect to your detriment.  
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15

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    Re: What if CI members only consisted of sspx and resistance types?
    « Reply #27 on: February 20, 2018, 12:14:03 PM »
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  • Who is it that gets to determine who the "rejects" are? You?
    A friend should be "like" unto oneself.  The keyword is "like", and it is referring to spiritual matters.  It is not referring to carnal matters.  This is why we cannot get back to basics.  We cannot get back to material matters because there is a spiritual impediment.  Vacantists who believe that I am in mortal sin for attending an una cuм mass are not "like" unto myself.  Feeneyites who deny catholic baptism doctrine and desecrate it with a montfortian bloody mary are not "like" unto myself.  
    Just listen to the feeneyites who have commented so far.  Their idea of communion is likened to cloning and echo chambers.  These are entirely carnal ideas, and it shows their perverted idea of communion.  It shows how intellectually the universal is subordinated to the tribal.  Catholics says "I believe in God", while the damned say "we are legion".  Make note of the difference.  Feeneyites idea of communion is eerily reminiscent to the cloned echo of legion. 
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    Re: What if CI members only consisted of sspx and resistance types?
    « Reply #28 on: February 20, 2018, 12:28:02 PM »
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  • It would then be a typical Protestant church on the corner, where everybody is there because it mirrors what they already believe.

    "One man with conviction will overwhelm one hundred with just opinions ".

    These people you describe all have conviction, which you do not, for if you did you would not give them the importance that you do.

    I have no problem with sedevacantes, I have no problem with "flat Earthers, and I do not have a problem with people who limit their belief in baptism of desire to the catechumen.

    As for people who believe that baptism of desire means that non-Catholics, Jєωs, Mohamedans, Buddhists, Hindus etc. can be saved by their belief in a god that rewards, I look upon them the same as I look upon any Novus Ordite, they are the cause of the success of the Vatican II religion, whether they are Sede, SSPX, or Indult.
    You are blinded by your heresy.  One of the essential beliefs catholics must hold is that God "rewards" good and punishes evil.  The reason you and the three types I listed in my OP should be banned is because you are all dogmatic.  The very best your types can offer up is silence.  And, that is no offering.  John 1.1
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    Re: What if CI members only consisted of sspx and resistance types?
    « Reply #29 on: February 20, 2018, 12:34:32 PM »
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  • I started this topic as an indirect response to matthews reply to his OP about the recent EC.  Matthew lamented why we all talk about precisely these things I listed in my OP instead of talking about going back to basics.  I usually don't like to take a stab at matthew, so I gave him a pass.  But, it begs the question, why does he allow these types on the forum?  It is like what scripture says about friends.  When you become "friends" with rejects quite frankly, goodness loses.
    If you think casting out all of the so-called "rejects" is a possible solution to Matthew's lamenting a lack of unity, you've missed his point entirely.
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    You also suggest that no one ever gets banned from this forum which is hardly the case. CathInfo is already a thinned selection of Trad opinions. I have no doubt those who have been banned already believe this to be an echo chamber.
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    What you're suggesting is a group of people who agree with each other on everything which would amount to the number of people you can count on one hand.
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    PS. Dogmatic sedevacantists are not allowed on CathInfo. If someone thinks the moderator is a heretic, they're at minimum not allowed to express that opinion. Anyone who does and is still here is just managing to fly under the radar for a time.
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