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What Has Happened to the Catholic Church
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2011, 07:58:17 AM »
I am just an average layperson trying to save my soul, I am not a theologian by far, and have no interest in becoming a canon lawyer.  
 
The way I see it, if you can imagine a white piece of paper intact, which would represent the Catholic Church.  Tear off a corner and you have the Protestant Luther and his followers falling away, tear off a little here and a little there which would represent other off shots with roots in the Catholic Church but leaving to find a new religion.

  Now with Vatican II, most of the paper is torn away with only a little corner left.  The little corner represents what is left of the Catholic Church, now known as the traditionalist.  Since the majority has now left, the laws in place that was for the good of the faithful are no longer useful.

  The Church must continue with the Holy Ghost as our head because it is not the will of God, the Church wither and die.  
 

What Has Happened to the Catholic Church
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2011, 08:43:38 AM »
Explain!


What Has Happened to the Catholic Church
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2011, 10:02:57 AM »
Hermenegild, it sounds to me like you think that little corner is smaller than it actually is. I'm partly basing my conclusion off one of your previous posts where you implied you were a home-aloner and the SSPX is not the solution to the crisis. Is that your viewpoint?

What Has Happened to the Catholic Church
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2011, 10:13:48 AM »
Not sure how the other sede groups were organized after the apostasy.   When I prayed to God for 5 years to show me the Church, He showed me CMRI in 1982.  


<<<In 1969, Daniel Quilter Brown received Episcopal consecration as an “Old Roman Catholic” bishop.  Bishop Brown had been born and raised a Catholic, but became disenchanted with the reforms of Vatican II and had chosen to become an Old Roman Catholic bishop in order to perpetuate valid Episcopal orders; realizing that the Old Roman Catholics, unlike the modern post-Conciliar Catholic Church, had not yet fallen into heresy and thus still retained valid Orders.

  Despite the fact that Bishop Brown obtained his consecration in the Old Roman Catholic Church (a schismatic church), he and his followers called themselves Roman Catholics and refused to use the title of “Old Roman Catholic.” Shortly after his consecration, he broke all ties and communications with the Old Roman Catholics.

  Bishop Brown soon became acquainted with Brother Francis and tried to persuade him a accept ordination from him, because “in view of the fact that we cannot exist for long as Catholics without the sacraments, I would propose to ordain to the priesthood a qualified member of your group (from the information I have, this would probably be yourself)...”

  Later he proposed to consecrate Brother Francis to the episcopacy in addition to ordaining him to the priesthood.

Brother Francis sought the advise of some traditional Catholic priests, most notably Fr. Burton Fraser, S.J., about Bishop Brown's proposal.  He was told that under the grave circuмstances that currently existed, that it was well within Catholic law and principles to accept consecration. Although the Catholic Church acknowledges the validity of Old Catholics orders, Brother Francis was unwilling to receive orders from Bishop Brown because of the schismatic origins of his consecration.

In the meantime, Bishop Brown openly repented of having received consecration from the Old Roman Catholics, broke all ties with them, made a public “Abjuration of Error and Profession of Faith,” confessed his sins and received absolution from a traditional priest.  It was only after these events that Brother Francis agreed to receive consecration from Bishop Brown:>>>>





If you can't accept this then find another avenue for the sacraments, as for myself, I am very happy with CMRI, because they seem to be the most charitable of all other traditional groups.  Charitable in that they do not sound off why we should beware of this group or that group.  I have never heard them speak unkindly of SSPX et al.    They pray for unity, and above all God has blessed them with His ever flowing grace.  

Not to say we have not had our share of scandals nor problems, but the fact that with each scandal, CMRI has received and abundance of blessings and growth.

So unless you are trying to convince yourself about CMRI, don't bother to post  negatively for my benefit.  

I answered your question but you never really did explain much about my question to you, as a better explanation of your point above on this thread.    

What Has Happened to the Catholic Church
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2011, 10:20:25 AM »
Can you really go from being a lay person to a bishop? I was under the impression you had to be ordained a priest first, unless that article cut that part out.