Author Topic: What Happened to Gerry Matatics? (Read 4979 times)

fatimarevelation23 · « **on:** January 10, 2024, 09:17:51 AM »

I remember Gerry being active in Catholic debates and speaking at one time. He had a following. I have not seen or heard about him in a long time. I was wondering what happened to him?

This was the latest update I read on Reddit concerning him:

As of 2021, Matatics ended up concluding that none of the bishops we see around us are real bishops. Their ordinations didn’t “take.” He admitted there might be a few true bishops still living in extreme old age — men who had been ordained by Pius XII. Only those bishops could ordain priests validly — but where to find such priests? Where to find a valid Mass? Not even within the Traditionalist movement, he said.

In the end, Matatics ceased attending Mass. He led prayer services in his home, cobbling together the rosary, elements of the old breviary, and selections from works of Catholic history and theology. A few years ago one of his children married — in a hotel room rather than in a church, with Matatics presiding at the service. It was the culmination of a rigorous “logic.”

Gunter · « **Reply #1 on:** January 10, 2024, 09:29:13 AM »

That's unfortunate

SimpleMan · « **Reply #2 on:** January 10, 2024, 09:37:23 AM »

I think he also constructed some kind of logical framework in which appeals to an emergency, crisis, epikeia, and so on, cannot be invoked for one reason or another. Therefore, even if a traditionally-ordained priest would say a Mass, we could not assist at it, because it doesn't exist within the authority and jurisdiction of the Church. I don't know what he would say about receiving Extreme Unction from such a priest. The Church removes any legal obstacles to a priest conferring sacraments when someone is in danger of death, so again, I just don't know.

He has basically become a home-aloner. Sad.

PAT317 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 10, 2024, 09:47:33 AM »

Quote from: SimpleMan on January 10, 2024, 09:37:23 AM

I don't know what he would say about receiving Extreme Unction from such a priest. The Church removes any legal obstacles to a priest conferring sacraments when someone is in danger of death, so again, I just don't know.

He has basically become a home-aloner. Sad.

When his wife died, I heard that he didn't seek Sacraments from a priest for her. Mentioned in this thread. I'd be glad to hear that information was wrong.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #4 on:** January 10, 2024, 09:57:07 AM »

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I think he also constructed some kind of logical framework in which appeals to an emergency, crisis, epikeia, and so on, cannot be invoked for one reason or another. Therefore, even if a traditionally-ordained priest would say a Mass, we could not assist at it, because it doesn't exist within the authority and jurisdiction of the Church.

I went to many of his conferences, early on. Talented guy. Hate to say it but it's possible that such a man was in infiltrator, just trying to divide Traditionalism from within. Who knows how many people became 'home aloners' (i.e. gave up the Faith) because of his "intellectual" arguments.

Or...his pride got the better of him and he entered the 'vortex of confusion' that St Augustine talks about, when trying to understand salvation (or the current crisis).

Either way, the guy has not been "right in the head" for many years.

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fatimarevelation23

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