Author Topic: Where Are the Bennyvacantists? (Read 8150 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #50 on:** January 16, 2023, 03:33:53 PM »

Quote from: MiracleOfTheSun on January 16, 2023, 12:37:35 AM

The 3rd Secret had to be released no later than 1960 as its meaning would be 'more clear' then.

"In the 3rd Secret it is foretold, among other things, that the Great Apostasy begins at the top." - Cardinal Ciappi

It's clear the death of Pope Pius XII marked a decisive turn for the Church and human history. I've been musing on this for a while but am I the only one who thinks the 3rd Secret actually mentions there being no shepherd for a time and this is why they've been so loathed to release it? Nothing says 'fake religion' like a message from the Queen of Heaven supported by a Miracle of the Sun (in addition to Pius XII also seeing it on four separate occasions).

Absolutely not. I've been convinced for a long time that the Third Secret is precisely about V2, NOM, and the takeover of the Holy See.

Yeti · « **Reply #51 on:** January 16, 2023, 03:43:46 PM »

Quote from: MiracleOfTheSun on January 16, 2023, 12:37:35 AM

The 3rd Secret had to be released no later than 1960 as its meaning would be 'more clear' then.

"In the 3rd Secret it is foretold, among other things, that the Great Apostasy begins at the top." - Cardinal Ciappi

It's clear the death of Pope Pius XII marked a decisive turn for the Church and human history. I've been musing on this for a while but am I the only one who thinks the 3rd Secret actually mentions there being no shepherd for a time and this is why they've been so loathed to release it? Nothing says 'fake religion' like a message from the Queen of Heaven supported by a Miracle of the Sun (in addition to Pius XII also seeing it on four separate occasions).

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I don't know anyone who doesn't think that.

Well, basically. I think it probably has more to do with Vatican II and the great apostasy, but yes, a prolonged vacancy would certainly be part of that scenario, and I strongly suspect it's in the secret as well.

I also don't know any traditional Catholics who seriously believe the text released in 2000 is really the Third Secret. You'd have to be a complete idiot to believe that, frankly.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #52 on:** January 16, 2023, 04:55:10 PM »

I always thought that, logically, the sedevacantists should reject the authenticity of Fatima, since it refers to "the pope of 1960."

But if there was no pope in 1960, how could the apparitions be true (for them)?

Perhaps the pope was not specified as the person to reveal the letter?

This article suggests that could be the case: https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/F039_Secret1960.html (i.e., it was definitely supposed to be opened in 1960, but not necessarily by the pope).

And this article contains a conversation between Cardinal Oddi and John XXIII, regarding why the latter said "this message is not for our time" (his excuse for not revealing it):

https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g19htBertone_Secret_2.html

1. Cardinal Silvio Oddi, who was Prefect of the Congregation of the Clergy in the Pontificate of John Paul II and very close to John XXIII during his reign, relates this very revealing anecdote about a conversation he had with the latter:

Cardinal Silvio Oddi and Pope John XXIII

Oddi: John XXIII commanded me to never mention the Third Secret

Taking advantage of the great confidence that reigned between us, I said to him straightforwardly, “Holy Father, there is something for which I cannot pardon you.”
“What is it?” he asked.
“The whole world has waited for so many years, and with some months having already passed since the beginning of 1960, we still know nothing (about the Third Secret).”
Pope Roncalli answered, “Do not speak to me of this again.”
I replied, “If that is what you want, I won’t speak about it again. But you can’t prevent others from doing so.”
“I have already told you not to speak again of it.”
“And I did not insist.” (2)

Thirty years later, after much water had run under the bridge, Cardinal Oddi confessed to the same magazine (30 Giorni): “The Secret of Fatima contains a sad prophecy about the Church and, for this reason Pope John did not divulge it. And neither have Paul VI or John Paul II. It seems to me that what is basically written is that the Pope would convene a Council in 1960 which, contrary to expectations, would indirectly result in many difficulties for the Church.” (3)

The implication is clear: John XXIII wanted Vatican II, and the 3rd Secret foretold it would be the undoing of the Church.

Emile · « **Reply #53 on:** January 28, 2023, 10:15:50 AM »

Mocking them seems too cruel but hard to not watch the train wreck:

The Luminous Cross at Benedict’s Funeral was a Sign from Heaven
January 27, 2023 Editor 25 Comments

Editor’s Note: Imagine my shock to find that the Cross which appeared in Heaven at the Pope’s funeral, pointing south, should be featured in painting on Canvas, affixed to the wall above the Restaurant, at the Hotel where the Election of his successor, God willing, shall take place on Monday!

And for the incredulous, and curious, the Luminous Cross appeared in the direction of the Mariott Park Hotel, so if you want any more signs from God about what one is to do in the future, I do not know what you would expect.

The Hotel Staff says that this canvas was commissioned by the owners of the Hotel, who are devout Catholics from Sicily. However, the canvas does NOT depict the vision of the Cross of Constantine, because that occurred at the Milvian Bridge, further up the Tiber river. In this image, the light of the cross appears to emanate and fall on the Piazza of San Pietro, where the funeral of Pope Benedict XVI was conducted. — In this canvas, two smaller Angels carry a banner, which reads, “In hoc signo vinces!”, that is, “In this sign, you shall conquer!”

At the corners of the canvas, on each side, one can see the Apostle Saint Peter, on the left, and Saint Paul the Apostle on the right. St. Peter is crouched, evidently, to indicate that the See of Peter is vacant, and awaits a new Pope.

https://www.fromrome.info/2023/01/27/the-luminous-cross-at-benedicts-funeral-was-a-sign-from-heaven/

Ladislaus · « **Reply #54 on:** January 28, 2023, 05:47:10 PM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 16, 2023, 04:55:10 PM

I always thought that, logically, the sedevacantists should reject the authenticity of Fatima, since it refers to "the pope of 1960."

I love how you put the expression "the pope of 1960" in quotes, as if it were a direct quote, even though you made that up completely. Our Lady said that the Third Secret should be revealed or made public NO LATER THAN 1960. Then Sister Lucy asked why 1960 (i.e. why that date is the deadline), and she said that the Third Secret would be much clearer then. Secret could have been revealed by either the Bishop of Leiria-Fatima, to whom it was originally entrusted, or the Pope, as the former "punted" it over to Rome. There's no reference to "the pope of 1960" in anything Sister Lucy said.

IMO, the Pope of 1960 was Gregory XVII (Siri), and I believe that Pius XII was poisoned by the nefarious Galeazzi-Lizi and died prematurely, and that Sister Lucia was murdered. But we'll find out the truth someday.

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