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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Where Are the Bennyvacantists?
« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2023, 02:46:21 PM »
Yes. Lad mentioned Peter Coffin. I'll mention Gerry Matatics, who probably was "bigger" than either and who has dwindled down much further as a result of his home alonism: he does broadcasts almost nightly on his Facebook page with sometimes less than half a dozen now tuning in.

Agreed.  He's made a huge sacrifice in having adopted his position.  Whether you agree with him or not (and I don't, as I think that his talents are wasted and I wish he'd start receiving the Sacraments), at least he has conviction and is willing to make the sacrifice for truth.  Also, he too is in the category of those who have changed their mind about some things here and there, thus also demonstrating intellectual honesty.

I wish he'd wake up and realize that his over-legalization of the Church is totally contrary to what Our Lord taught about the Pharisaical observance of the Law.  Church Law is written for the service of souls, not to harm them.  During the Arian crisis, there were many Catholic Bishops who were sidelined when Arians took over the Sees, and other Catholic bishops went around consecrating parallel replacements for the Arians.  St. Robert Bellarmine cites the fact that those excommunicated by Nestorius, even before he was officially condemned, were not in fact excommunicated, but remained in good standing with the Church.

Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Where Are the Bennyvacantists?
« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2023, 02:54:32 PM »
In order for me to respect anyone's opinion, I need to see them having changed it at least once.  If you haven't changed your mind about something at least once given this horrific crisis, then you're either ...

1) divinely inspired genius
2) incredibly stupid
3) stubbornly clinging to your position due to ego and bad will

I've never met anyone in category 1, so that leaves 2 or 3, and in 90% of all cases it's #3, as few people are dumb enough not to be able to even think about alternative opinions.

There's a big stigma out there about "flip-flopping".  To me it's a sign of intellectual honesty.  Of course we don't flip-flop religions nor do we flip-flop regarding the defined truths of the faith, as these we hold certain with the certainty of faith, but with most other issues, this breakdown applies.

Absolutely agree. 


Re: Where Are the Bennyvacantists?
« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2023, 04:12:43 PM »
THIS^^^.  I was just saying this to my wife, that we have a cadre of these lay "apologists" who basically make their living that way, and they cannot afford to alienate a large percentage of their listeners and thereby endanger their livelihood, folks like Taylor Marshall who can afford to jet-set around the world, taking his family on pilgrimages, etc. ... all from writing a book or two and doing his podcasts.  He can't afford to alienate the conservative Novus Ordites who likely comprise the vast majority of his audience and his financial support by adopting an unpopular opinion.  I at least give Patrick Coffin credit for that, for his personal integrity, in that he took a large hit after being cancelled from both EWTN and Ignatius Press upon going Bennyvacantist and supporting +Vigano.
I have a mutual on Twitter who expressed the exact same criticisms of Dr. Marshal this morning. The guy apparently makes $20k/month through Patreon alone, I don't see him compromising his positions and losing that. It's irritating to see people clamor to these types, especially since I used to be among them. :facepalm:

Re: Where Are the Bennyvacantists?
« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2023, 08:43:16 PM »
We live in an age where an army of laypeople listens to another army of laypeople for their 'Doctrine'.  

I went to a Novus Ordo presentation years ago where the 'priest' sat in the front row while a well-known layman from Catholic Answers was doing the teaching and spoon feeding the masses.  SAD  

Re: Where Are the Bennyvacantists?
« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2023, 05:58:59 AM »
In order for me to respect anyone's opinion, I need to see them having changed it at least once.  If you haven't changed your mind about something at least once given this horrific crisis, then you're either ...

1) divinely inspired genius
2) incredibly stupid
3) stubbornly clinging to your position due to ego and bad will

I've never met anyone in category 1, so that leaves 2 or 3, and in 90% of all cases it's #3, as few people are dumb enough not to be able to even think about alternative opinions.

There's a big stigma out there about "flip-flopping".  To me it's a sign of intellectual honesty.  Of course we don't flip-flop religions nor do we flip-flop regarding the defined truths of the faith, as these we hold certain with the certainty of faith, but with most other issues, this breakdown applies.
Well that gives me hope; as I tend to equate my multiple changes of opinion on these topics with my fickle and gullible femaleness. LOL!