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Offline Neil Obstat

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What Happened at Vatican II?
« on: August 17, 2012, 04:53:18 PM »
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  • It is important for us to re-study this series, especially when we are confronted with Archbishop Müller and Archbishop DiNoia who try to tell us there are not errors in Vatican II, but only bad interpretation.




    SSPX Asia webpage source



    January 2003 No. 50
    The Errors of Vatican II
    PART I:

     

        This installment of Angelus Press's Edition of SiSiNoNo begins a lengthy serialization of errors ascribed to the Second Vatican Council.

        The "rap sheet" begins this time with a simple overview of the Council. Further installments will concentrate on specific issues of doctrine, theology, definition, the Sacred Liturgy, the so-called "separated brethren," the contemporary world, the missions, education, pastorality, and practice.

        It will conclude with solutions.


    In general, the mentality at the Second Vatican Council was little if at all Catholic. This can be said because of an inexplicable and undeniable man-centeredness and sympathy for the "world" and its deceptive values, all of which ooze from all of the Council's docuмents. More specifically, Vatican II has been accused of substantive and relevant ambiguities, patent contradictions, significant omissions and, what counts even more, of grave errors in doctrine and pastorality.

         
    Vatican II's Ambiguous Juridical Nature

    First of all, ambiguity pervades the Second Vatican Council's nature as to law (i.e., "juridical nature"). This remains unclear and appears indeterminate because Vatican II termed itself simply a "pastoral Council" which, therefore, did not intend to define dogmas or condemn errors. This can be seen from the address delivered at the Council's opening by Pope John XXIII on October 11, 1962, and in the Notificatio, publicly read on November 5, 1965. Therefore, the Council's two Constitutions, Dei Verbum (on Divine Revelation) and Lumen Gentium (on the Church), which, in fact, do concern matters of dogmas of the Faith, are dogmatic only in name and in a solely descriptive sense...






    Vatican II was to be a "pastoral" council. That means an ambiguous council.
    This is just the first few paragraphs of Part I of VII...
    If you don't want to miss it, you should go read it all now because the SSPX
    might be purging such files in the near future. They have already done so with
    other things, and the ASIA site seems to be the last one to get the ax. These are
    large files, so anyone who knows how to copy them should do so -- put them on
    Flash Drives if you can!
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    What Happened at Vatican II?
    « Reply #1 on: August 17, 2012, 04:59:33 PM »
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  • I'm really surprised Bishop Fellay has not purged "si si no no" already, given its significance. But thanks for posting this, Neil.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    What Happened at Vatican II?
    « Reply #2 on: August 17, 2012, 07:24:23 PM »
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  • You're welcome. What the heck. Here's the rest of Part I:



    When I see pictures like this I always wonder, how many of the people here
    in this photo are in hell today because of what they were doing here? They
    have such a solemn seriousness about them, and they must have thought
    that they were doing something right, but they in fact were contributing to
    the demolition of Sacred Tradition:



    ...

    The Council wanted to disqualify the "authentically manifest and supreme ordinary Magisterium" (Pope Paul VI). This is an insufficient figure of speech for an ecuмenical council since such councils always embody an extraordinary exercise of the Magisterium, with the Pope deciding to exercise its exceptional nature together with all of the bishops assembled by him in council. He acts therein as the suprema potestas of the entire Church, which he possesses by Divine right. Neither does reference to the "authentic character" of Vatican II explain things, because such a term generally means "authoritative" relative to the Holy Father's sole authority, not to his infallibility. The "mere authenticuм"ordinary Magisterium is not infallible, while the ordinary Magisterium is infallible. In any case, the ordinary Magisterium's infallibility does not have the same characteristics as the extraordinary Magisterium. Thus, it cannot be applied to the Second Vatican Council. It is necessary to realize that the point in question is how many bishops throughout the Catholic world are teaching the same doctrine, and not how many are present at a Council.

    [The following paragraph is one that the sedes on this forum who repeatedly
    claim that Vat II should have been infallible if it were a real council, but since it
    contains doctrinal errors this therefore proves that John XXIII was not a pope.]

    Such being Vatican II's actual juridical nature, it is certain that it did not wish to impart a teaching invested with infallibility. It is true that Pope Paul VI himself said that the Council's teaching ought to be "docilely and sincerely" accepted by the faithful, that is, with (we specifically note) what is always called "internal religious assent," something required of any pastoral docuмent, for instance.

    This assent is obligatory, but only on the condition that sufficient and grave reasons do not exist for not granting such assent. Might a question of "grave reason" be concerned when alterations in the deposit of Faith are evident? Already during Vatican II's tormented discussions, cardinals, bishops, and theologians, faithful to dogma, repeatedly noted the ambiguities and errors which were infiltrating Council texts, errors that today, after 40 years of definitive reflection and study, we are grasping ever more precisely.

    We do not pretend completeness for our synopsis of the errors ascribed to Vatican II. Yet it seems to us that we have specified in what follows a sufficient number of important ones, beginning with the first utterances such as those contained in the Council's October 20, 1962 "Address on Openness" by His Holiness John XXIII and the Council Fathers' "Message to the World." Though not one of the official, formal Council texts, nevertheless, these texts expressed the thinking wanted by the "progressive wing," that is, the neo-modernist innovators' line of thinking.


    "Address on Openness"


    Aside from its resoundingly divergent assertions denied by the facts, such as, "Providence is leading us to a new order of human relations that...are developing toward a fullness of superior and unexpected designs," Pope John XXIII's famous speech on opening up to the world contains three real and true doctrinal errors.


    FIRST ERROR: & mutilated concept of the Magisterium.

    This error is contained in the incredible assertion concerning the Church's renunciation and condemnation of error:

    [It is now becoming clear that this "First Error" of Vat II set the tone for the
    entire procedure, and is arguably the one thing (since it has actually persisted
    to today, 60 years later) that opened the door to corruption and has disabled
    the infallibility of the Pope due to the fact that he has not reversed it.]

    "The Church has always been opposed to these errors
    [i.e., false opinions of men-Ed.]; She has often condemned them with the greatest severity. Now, however, the Spouse of Christ prefers to employ the medicine of mercy rather than that of harshness. She is going to meet today's needs by demonstrating the validity of Her doctrine, rather than by renewing condemnations."

    With this renunciation of employing proper, God-given authority to defend the deposit of the faith and to help souls through condemning errors that ensnare souls and prevent their eternal salvation, Pope John XXIII kicked aside his duties as Vicar of Christ. In fact, condemning error is essential for maintaining the deposit of faith, which is the Pontiff's first duty, and with it, always confirming sound doctrine, thus demonstrating the efficacy of doing so with timely application. Moreover, from a pastoral point of view, condemning error is necessary because it supports and sustains the faithful, the well-educated as well as those less so, with the Magisterium's incomparable authority. By its exercise they are strengthened to defend themselves against error, whose "logic" is often astute and seductive. This is not the only point: condemning error can lead errant souls to repent, by placing the true sustenance of their intellect before them. The condemnation of error is, in and of itself, a work of mercy.

    [It is the condemnation of error that gives infallibility its essential protection of
    the Holy Ghost, for anything of faith or morals once condemned by a Pope is
    condemned for all time. The Pope "kicked aside his duties as Vicar of Christ," but
    does that mean he ceased to be Pope? Does that mean he could not have been
    Pope to begin with?]

    To hold that condemning error should never have occurred is to support a mutilated concept of the Church's Magisterium. In the main, the post-Vatican II Church, no longer condemning error, has substituted for it dialogue with those in error. This amounts to doctrinal error. Previously, the Church has always prosecuted dialogue with such errors and those in error. Pope John XXIII’s quote above announces the error clearly: that demonstrating "doctrine's validity" is incompatible with "renewing condemnations." This is to suggest that such validity ought to be imposed only thanks to one's own intrinsic logic, and not from external authority. But in such an approach, faith would no longer be a gift from God, nor would there be any need of grace to fortify faith, nor any need to exercise the principle for sustaining faith via the authority in the Catholic Church. The essential error is concealed in Pope John XXIII's phraseology; it is a form of Pelagianism [i.e., that all men are, by nature, good-Ed.] which is typical of all "rationalistic conceptions" of the Faith, all of them repeatedly condemned by the Magisterium.

    Not only heresies and theological errors in the strict sense have been objects of condemnation, but every one of the world's ideas that is not Catholic, not only those adverse to the Faith, but also those to whom Our Lord's words apply, "He who does not gather with me, is against me: and he that gathereth not with me, scattereth" (Mt. 12:30).

    The unorthodox position taken by John XXIII, maintained by the Council and the post-Conciliar period, has caused the collapse of the Church's ironclad armor. The Church's enemies -- inside and out -- appreciate this heterodox position. No doubt they agree with Nietzsche, who said: "The intellectual mark of the Church is essentially harsh inflexibility, by which the conception and judgment of values are treated as stable, as eternal."

     
    SECOND ERROR: -The contamination of Catholic doctrine with intrinsically anti-Catholic "modern thinking."

    Connected to this unprecedented renunciation of error is another flagrantly grave assertion made by John XXIII in his January 13, 1963, Christmas address to Cardinals. He said that "doctrinal penetration" must occur through "doctrine's more perfect adhesion to fidelity to true doctrine."

    However, he followed this by explaining that

        "... true doctrine ought to be expressed using the forms of investigation and literary style of modern thinking, since, to do so, is to sustain the depositum fidei's classic doctrine and is the way to recast it: and this ought to be done patiently, taking into great account that all must be expressed in forms and propositions having a predominantly pastoral character."1

    Liberals and modernists had already long recommended that classical doctrine be re-cast in forms imported from "modern thinking." Doing so was specifically condemned by Pope Pius X in Pascendi2 and his decree Lamentabili which condemned the following:3

        §63. The Church shows herself unequal to the task of preserving the ethics of the Gospel, because she clings obstinately to immutable doctrines which cannot be reconciled with present day advances.

        §64. The progress of the sciences demands that the concepts of Christian doctrine about God, creation, revelation, the Person of the Incarnate Word, the redemption, be recast. (Lamentabili, July 3, 1907, dz 2063, 2064)

    In Humani Generis4 Pope Pius XII said the same thing. Thus, Pope John XXIII’s predecessors had condemned his proposed doctrine. This is a typical of all modernist errors.

    In fact, it is not possible for the categories of "modern thinking" to be applied to Catholic doctrine. In all of its forms modern thinking negates -- a priori -- the existence of an absolute truth and holds that everything is relative to Man, who is his own absolute value, divinized in all of his manifestations, from instinct to "self-consciousness." This way of thinking is intrinsically opposed to the fundamental truths of the Catholic Church beginning with the idea of God the Creator, of a living God Who has been revealed and incarnated in His Second Person. In the end, modern thinking means only a politics and an ethic. By proposing a similar contamination, Pope John XXIII showed himself to be a disciple of the of the neo-modernists' "New Theology," already condemned by the Magisterium. Regarding the Catholic Church's salvation mission, the needs of the day required of the Second Vatican Council to reinforce the rejection of modern thinking found in the prior popes-from Pius IX to Pius XII. Instead, the Council gave full sway to "the study and expression" of "authentic" and "classic" doctrine via "modern thinking."

     
    THIRD ERROR: The Church's goal is "the unity of humanity."


    The third error of the Opening Address announced that "the unity of humanity" was the Church's own and proper goal. This was advanced by the Second Vatican Council, which quoted St. Augustine (Ep. 138,3) to purport that the Church be

        "...preparing and consolidating the way toward that human unity which is a fundamental necessity because the earthly City is constructed to always resemble the heavenly one in which truth and the law of charity reign, and is the extension of the Eternal One."

    Here "human unity" is seen as the "fundamental necessity because the earthly City is constructed to always resemble the heavenly one." But the Church never taught that her expansion in this world had "human unity" as her goal, as affirmed by Pope John XXIII, simply. On the contrary, this is the guiding idea of the Enlightenment's philosophy of history first elaborated by the 18th century by secularists. It is not of the Catholic Church, but is an essential component of the religion of Humanism.

    The error consists in mixing the Catholic vision with an idea imported into it from secular thought. Secularists do not look to extend the Kingdom of God through that part of it realized on earth by the Catholic Church. This vision is a substitute for that of the Church's. Humanism is convinced of the dignity of man as man (since humanists do not believe in original sin) and of his supposed "rights."

    Besides these three errors in the Opening Address, two more theological errors were proposed in what followed.
     
         
    Errors in the Council Fathers' "Message to the World"

    The "Message to the World" was promulgated at the start of the Council. [Archbishop Lefebvre was one of the few to criticize it.-Ed.] In miniature, it contained the pastoral line of thought that would be developed to the fullest in Gaudium et Spes. "Human good," the "dignity of man" as man, "peace between people," a pastoral in which the preoccupation with "human good," "the dignity of man," as man, "the peace between people," are its central concerns, and left aside is man's conversion to Christ:

        "While we hope that through the Council's labors the light of faith shines more clearly and alive, we await a spiritual renaissance from which also comes a happy impulse that favors human well-being, that is, scientific invention, progress of the arts, technology, and a greater diffusion of culture."

    "Human well-being" is characterized according to the century's reigning ideas, i.e., scientific, artistic, technological, and cultural progress.5 Should the Second Vatican Council have become so preoccupied with such things? Should it have expressed hope for the increase of these solely earthly "blessings," always shortlived, often deceptive, in place of those eternal ones founded on perennial values taught by the Church over the centuries? No wonder that, following this brand of pastoral, instead of a new "splendor" of the faith, a grave and persistent crisis has arisen?

    The actual theological error, in the proper sense of error, occurs at the close of the "Message to the World" where it is said: "We invite all to collaborate with us in order to install in the world a more well ordered civil life and a greater fraternity." This is not Catholic doctrine. Any anticipation of the eternal kingdom in this world was constituted only by the Catholic Church, by the visible Church Militant, the earthly element of the Mystical Body of Christ, which grows slowly, not withstanding the opposition of "the prince of this world." The Mystical Body of ' Christ increases, but not strictly through the "union of all men of good will," and of all humanity under the banner of "progress."

    Ambiguity

    The texts of Vatican II are infamous for being ambiguous and contradictory. Suffice it by the following serious example to show how profound the ambiguity is.

    Vatican II's Dei Verbum (on Divine Revelation) is called a "dogmatic constitution" because it concerns the inerrant truth of dogma. In §9, however, it expounds in an obviously insufficient and unclear way [or else, why the confusion presented in § 11 ?-Ed.] how the truths of the Faith rest on two pillars of revelation - Sacred Scripture and Tradition - and on the absolute inerrancy of Sacred Scripture and the total historical authenticity of the Gospels.6 In §11, Dei Verbum lends itself even to opposite interpretations, one of which would reduce inerrancy only to "truth...confided to the Sacred Scriptures....":

        "...Since, therefore, all that the inspired authors, or sacred writers, affirm should be regarded as affirmed by the holy Spirit, we must acknowledge that the books of Scripture, firmly, faithfully and without error, teach that truth which God, for the sake of salvation, wished to see confided to the sacred Scriptures...." (Dei Verbum, § lib, Nov. 18, 1965)

    This is substantively equivalent to heresy because the absolute inerrancy of Sacred Scripture and the truth expounded there is the truth of the Faith constantly deduced and taught by the Church alone.



    Contradictions


    For an example of patent contradiction, let us look as §2 of the October 28, 1965 decree, Perfectae Caritatis (On the Up-to-Date Renewal of Religious Life). It states that the renewal of religious life "comprises both a constant return to the sources of the whole of the Christian life and to the primitive inspiration of the institutes, and the adaptation to the changed conditions of our time...."

    This is a patent contradiction since, according to the three vows of chastity, poverty, and obedience, the unique characteristic of religious life has always been that of being completely antithetical to the world, corrupted as it is by original sin and the very illustration of the fleeting and transient. How is it possible that the "return to the sources...and to the primitive inspiration of the [Catholic] institutes" be accomplished by their "adaptation to the changed conditions of our time?" Adaptation to these "conditions," which today are those of the secularized modern world of lay culture, are the very ones that impede, in themselves, "the return to the sources."

    Paragraph 79 of Gaudium et Spes (On the Church in the Modern World, Dec. 7, 1965) grants governments the right "of lawful self-defense" to "defend the interests of the people." This substantively seems to conform to the traditional teaching of the Church, which has always granted the right of defense from an external or internal attack of the "just war" category, and conforms to the principles of natural rights. However, §82 of the same Gaudium et Spes also contains an absolute condemnation of war and, therefore, of every type of war, without making express exception for defensive war, justified three paragraphs earlier, which, then, the Council both permitted and condemned! Compare, yourself: first, the permission, then, the condemnation:

     

        §79. War, of course, has not ceased to be part of the human scene. As long as the danger of war persists..., governments cannot be denied the right of lawful self-defense, once all peace efforts have failed. State leaders and all who share the burdens of public administration have the duty to defend the interests of their people and to conduct grave matters with a deep sense of responsibility....

        §82. It is our clear duty to spare no effort in order to work for the moment when all war will be completely outlawed by international agreement. This goal, or course, requires the establishment of a universally acknowledged public authority vested with the effective power to ensure security for all,....

    Contradiction is also evident in Sacrosanctum Concilium (On the Consititution on the Sacred Liturgy, Dec. 4, 1963) regarding the maintenance of Latin as the liturgical language. We read in §36(1): "The use of the Latin language, with due respect to particular law, is to be preserved in the Latin rites." In the next line,

        §36(2). But since the use of the vernacular, whether in the Mass, in the administration of the sacraments, or in other parts of the liturgy, may frequently be of great advantage to the people, a wider use may be made of it,
    especially in readings, directives, and in some prayers and chants. Regulations governing this will be given separately in subsequent chapters.

    But the regulations "established" in this docuмent are left to episcopal conferences:

        §22(1). Regulation of the sacred liturgy depends solely on the authority of the Church, that is, on the Apostolic See, and, as laws may determine, on the bishop.


    [SC §22(2), next, is the sentence that is quoted in several other parts of Vat. II
    docs, to legitimize various kinds of innovations that had never been seen before
    in the history of the Church. The phrase, "legitimately established," gave it a
    kind of mystical and ominous reverence for liturgical wreckovationists so they
    could pretty much destroy everything in sight.]


        §22(2). In virtue of power conceded by law, the regulation of the liturgy within certain defined limits belongs also to various kinds of bishops' conferences, legitimately established, with competence in given territories.

    This paragraph was given wide latitude. There are numerous cases where the Council authorized the partial or total use of the vernacular:

        §54. A suitable place may be allotted to the vernacular in Masses which are celebrated with the people, especially in the readings and "the common prayer," and also, as local conditions may warrant, in those parts which pertain to the people, according to the rules laid down in §36 of the Constitution.... Wherever a more expanded use of the vernacular in the Mass seems desirable, the regulation laid down in §40 of the Constitution is to be observed. [Paragraph 40 discusses the procedure to be followed if "more radical adaptation of the liturgy is needed," which "entails greater difficulties."-Ed]

        §62(a): In the administration of sacraments and sacramentals the vernacular may be used according to the norm of §36.

        §65. In the mission countries, in addition to what is furnished by the Christian tradition, those elements of initiation rites may be admitted which are already in use among some peoples... [e.g., rites which are certainly in the vernacular-Ed.].

        §68. The baptismal rite should contain variants, to be used at the discretion of the local ordinary—Likewise a shorter rite is to be drawn up, especially for mission countries…

        §76. Both the ceremonies and texts of the Ordination rites are to be revised. The addresses given by the bishop at the beginning of each ordination or consecration may be in the vernacular…

        §78. Matrimony is normally to be celebrated within the Mass after the reading of the Gospel and the homily before "the prayer of the faithful." The prayer for the bride, duly amended to remind both spouses of their equal obligation of mutual fidelity, may be said in the vernacular.

        §101(1). In accordance with the age-old tradition of the Latin rite, the Latin language is to be retained by clerics in the divine office. But in individual cases the ordinary has the power to grant the use of a vernacular translation to those clerics for whom the Latin constitutes a grave obstacle to their praying the office properly. The vernacular version, however, must be drawn up in accordance with the provisions of §36.

        §113. Liturgical worship is given a more noble form when the divine offices are celebrated solemnly in song with the assistance of sacred ministers and the active participation of the people. As regards the language to be used, the provisions of §36 are to be observed;…

    Contrary to firmly maintaining the use of Latin, the Second Vatican Council seemed to be preoccupied with opening the greatest possible number of avenues for the vernacular and, by doing so, laid down the premises of its definitive victory in the post-Conciliar era.



    Relevant Omissions

    Among the Council's omissions, we shall limit ourselves to discussing the most relevant under two subtitles: five omissions on the dogmatic level and three on the pastoral level.


    On the Dogmatic Level


    On the dogmatic level, five points strike us:  

        the failure to condemn the major errors of the 20th century;
        the absence of the notion of supernaturality and lack of mention of Paradise;
        the absence of a specific treatment of hell, mentioned only once in passing (§48 of Lumen Gentium);
        the lack of mention of the dogmas of Transubstantiation and of the propitiatory character of the Holy Sacrifice [In those paragraphs of Sacrosanctum Concilium specifically expounding on the Holy Mass (§§30, 47, 106), there is a repeated failure to reinforce these dogmas.-Ed.];
        the disappearance of any mention of the idea of "the poor in spirit."

    On the Pastoral Level

    The following points come to our attention regarding omissions at this level:

        in general, the absence of specifically Catholic treatments of such key notions as pastorality, the relation between Church and State, the ideal models of individual, family, and culture, etc.;
        the failure to condemn Communism, the greatest threat to Christendom, on which so much has been written. This failure was noticeable and resulted later in §75 of Gaudium et Spes which weakly and generically condemns "totalitarianism," putting it on the same level as "dictatorship":

        ...The understanding of the relationship between socialization and personal autonomy and progress will vary according to different areas and the development of peoples. However, if restrictions are imposed temporarily for the common good on the exercise of human rights, these restrictions are to be lifted as soon as possible after the situation has changed. In any case it is inhuman for public authority to fall back on totalitarian methods or dictatorship which violates the rights of persons or social groups. (Gaudium et Spes, §75[c]).

    The same omission reoccurs in §79 of the same docuмent, in which the horrific crimes of the recent wars were addressed:

        ...Any action which deliberately violates these principles and any order which commands these actions is criminal, and blind obedience cannot excuse those who carry them out. The most infamous among these actions are those designed for the reasoned and methodical extermination of an entire race, nation, or ethnic minority. These must be condemned as frightful crimes; and we cannot commend too highly the courage of men who openly and fearlessly resist those who issue orders of this kind…

    These 20th-century "methods" had been witnessed many times, for example, against the Christian Armenians (almost 70% exterminated by the Muslim Turks in the years before WWI) and by the neo-pagan nαzιs. But such schemes were known also to have been performed by the Communists by their systematic physical annihilation of so-called "class enemies," that is, millions of individuals whose only crime was that of belonging to a social class deemed aristocratic, bourgeois, peasants-all extirpated in the name of a "classless society," Communism's Utopian goal. Clearly, in Gaudium et Spes (§79), "social class" exterminations should have been added. But the progressive wing that imposed itself on the Council guarded against this being done, proving itself politically left-wing. It did not want Marxism to be discussed as a doctrine born of Communism nor its actual political practice.

        the failure to condemn corrupt customs and hedonism, which had deeply spread within Western society.



    Canonicus


    1.These concepts were specifically repeated by the Council in the decree, Unitatis Redintegratio on ecuмenism, article 6:

    Every renewal of the Church is essentially grounded in an increase of fidelity to her own calling. Undoubt­edly this is the basis of the movement toward unity.

    Christ summons the Church to continual reformation as she sojourns here on earth. The Church is always in need of this, in so far as she is an institution of men here on earth. Thus if, in various times and circuм­stances, there have been deficiencies in moral conduct or in Church discipline, or even in the way that Church teaching has been formulated to be carefully distinguished from the deposit of faith itself, these can and should be set right at the opportune moment.

    Church renewal has therefore notable ecuмenical impor­tance. Already in various spheres of the Church's life, this renewal is taking place. The Biblical and liturgical move­ments, the preaching of the word of God and catechetics, the apostolate of the laity, new forms of religious life and the spirituality of married life, and the Church's social teaching and activity: all these should be considered as pledges and signs of the future progress of ecuмenism.

    2. Pascendi, 1907, §2, c.

    3. Lamentabili, §§63, 64.

    4. Humani Generis, AAS 1950, pp.565-566.

    5. Gaudium et Spes, §§60-62.

    6. Gaudium et Spes, §§53, 74, 76, etc.
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    « Reply #3 on: August 17, 2012, 09:25:43 PM »
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    [SC §22(2), next, is the sentence that is quoted in several other parts of Vat. II
    docs, to legitimize various kinds of innovations that had never been seen before
    in the history of the Church. The phrase, "legitimately established," gave it a
    kind of mystical and ominous reverence for liturgical wreckovationists so they
    could pretty much destroy everything in sight.]


        §22(2). In virtue of power conceded by law, the regulation of the liturgy within certain defined limits belongs also to various kinds of bishops' conferences, legitimately established, with competence in given territories.




    This sentence is not actually "quoted" in several other parts of the Vat. II docs,
    but it is specifically referenced, as if it were quoted, for by saying parenthetically,
    (SC §22(2)), that is sufficient, and it serves equally as if the entire sentence
    were quoted verbatim, according to law. So, while one could say "but it isn't
    quoted because I don't see the words there," it is a useless argument because
    by having the characters "SC 22.2," even in a footnote, it works the same as it
    would to have a verbatim quote of SC 22.2.

    The reformers, including bishops who hired demolition crews to tear out priceless
    Communion rails and carved marble high altars, made repeated use of SC 22.2
    over the years. That one sentence cost the Faithful hundreds of millions of dollars
    in damage, and resulted in countless souls eternally lost in hell.

    One sentence.

    Amazing.
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    March 2003 No. 51
    The Errors of Vatican II
    PART II:

     

        In Part I of what promises to be a lengthy serialization, we discussed the "mentality" of the Second Vatican Council in general. In this overview, we especially highlighted its ambiguous nature as to the law, how at the outset it presented itself to the world, and some general contradictions and omissions in some of its texts.

        In Part II, we will begin to summarize the errors ascribed to Vatican II in particular, starting with a basic division of its errors into those which are doctrinal and those which are pastoral (recognizing that such a distinction is not always well-demarcated). This installment will concentrate on the doctrinal errors concerning:

    1) notions of "Tradition" and "Catholic Truth,"
    2) the Catholic Church and the Blessed Virgin Mary,
    3) the Holy Mass and the Sacred Liturgy.

    [I took the liberty of changing "Part 1 and Part 2" >> "Part I and Part II" ~Nl.Obs.]




    DOCTRINAL ERRORS

    The "Rethinking" of Tradition and the Doctrine of the Church

    Vatican II's doctrinal errors emerge from propositions that, wholly or in part, contradict what has always been taught by the Church or that obscure, diminish, or alter it. These errors are formulated in all of the texts-and are treated in texts that in general concern fundamental truths-in which the Council wanted to express its own doctrine and its "rethinking" of sacred Tradition and Church teaching:

         "This Vatican Council takes careful note of these desires in the minds of men. It proposes to declare them to be greatly in accord with truth and justice. To this end, it searches into the sacred tradition and doctrine of the Church-the treasury out of which the Church continually brings forth new things that are in harmony with the things that are old" (Dignitatis Humanae).

    [IMHO this "... brings forth new things that are in harmony with
    the things that are old" hearkens to B16's "hermeneutic of
    continuity," which has, BTW, come to light since 2003. ~Nl.Obs.]

    To deduce how much this last assertion corresponds to reality we will discuss in the course of this series of articles the following topics of which the first three are treated here. The errors in doctrine concern:
    1) the ideas of Tradition and Catholic truth;
    2) the Holy Church and the Blessed Virgin Mary;
    3) the Holy Mass and the Sacred Liturgy;
    4) the Priesthood;
    5) the Incarnation and Redemption, and the concept of "Man";
    6) the "Kingdom of God";
    7) the sacrament of Matrimony and the condition of woman;
    8) the sects, heretics, and schismatics (i.e., the so-called "separated brethren");
    9) non-Christian religions;
    10) politics, the political community; the relationship between Church and State;
    11) the notion of "Religious Liberty" and the role of individual conscience.




    PASTORAL ERRORS

    A Permanent "Living-Together" Relationship with Heretics and Schismatics

    Essentially, pastoral errors consist of proposing bad pastoral teaching -- bad, because the Council's bad doctrinal errors are put into practice and/or, also wholly or in part, contradict or alter the Church's traditional pastoral teachings, or appear per se to contradict them.

    From a general point of view, Vatican II's entire pastoral outlook is polluted because it is founded on aggiornamento, that is, on the principle of dialogue with error, rather than with those who are in error in order to convert them.

    [Note: this offers a definition of aggiornamento that you would be
    hard-pressed to find defined so well elsewhere. ~Nl.Obs.]

    When we begin to discuss them, we shall present the pastoral errors in the following way. Preliminarily, we shall make a synthetic analysis of the false value placed on man and the world, deprived as it is of any essential reference to Church teaching and Catholic thinking. This is primarily developed in Gaudium et Spes and comprises the theoretical basis for a major part of Conciliar pastoral teaching. Next, we shall go on to give some examples of this bad pastoral teaching as contained in Gaudium et Spes and in doctrinal docuмents.

    From these examples we shall see how Vatican II's pastoral teaching always articulates its two basic policy lines and how they are connected, that is:

    1) the clerical aggiornamento (or updating) in all of its components to be in line with modern, contemporary culture in all of its forms -- humanistic, scientific, technical, artistic, etc.;

    2) the "ecuмenical" collaboration of priests and faithful with the so-called separated brethren, with other religions, with all men, not in order to convert them to the one true faith, but to ally with them on behalf of mankind's progress and unity.

    For the rest, ecuмenism, clearly understood in the sense of article 8 of Lumen Gentium (§8), and of paragraphs 1-4 of Unitatis Redintegratio, proclaimed as true and proper the general principle of the pastoral teaching in UR (§24):

    "It is the urgent wish of this Holy Council that the measures undertaken by the sons of the Catholic Church should develop in conjunction with those of our separated brethren so that no obstacle be put in the ways of divine Providence and no preconceived judgments impair the future inspirations of the Holy Spirit."

    This invitation to permanent symbiosis with heretics and schismatics was naturally accepted and put into action. This practical implementation allows us to assert that the ecuмenical degeneration in the celebration of worship and in pastoral activity that are today so widely diffused have their roots in the Second Vatican Council itself and not in the so-called post-Conciliar period.

    Errors in pastoral teaching concern the following, of which we will treat separately later in this series:

    1) the interpretation of the meaning and significance of the contemporary world;
    2) aspects of the Sacred Liturgy;
    3) aspects in the study and teaching of doctrine;
    4) the formation of religious and seminarians; the office and duties of bishops and priests;
    5) the formation of and directives given to missionaries;
    6) directives given to the lay apostolate;
    7) the aggiornamento in education.



    So, let us now move on to speak of the first three doctrinal errors of Vatican II, beginning with its errors concerning ideas of Tradition and Catholic truth.


    1) Errors Concerning the Ideas of Tradition and of Catholic Truth

    >Vatican II sports an erroneous concept of Sacred Tradition as a complex of teaching, thanks to which

        "... as the centuries succeed one another, the Church constantly moves forward toward the fullness of divine truth until the words of God reach their complete fulfillment in her" (Dei Verbum§8).

    This is to make it sound as though Tradition, which guards the deposit of faith from the time of the Apostles' preaching, does not already possess "the fullness of divine truth!" In the reading of the above, one is led to believe there might be something else to be added or that what is already there can be modified.

    This idea of the Church being in "incessant tension" with the "fullness of divine truth" openly contradicts the Church's idea of the "deposit of faith" (I Tim. 6:20). In turn, this error is connected to "subjectivism" -- the signature of modern thinking -- typified by the "New Theology," of which the reigning idea is that everything is always moving in a continual upward progression, and that absolute truth does not exist, rather, only the endless tending of a subject toward a truth whose endpoint is himself.

    >Further, Vatican II teaches the incredible assertion, contrary to common sense, that all of Tradition, should be subjected to a "continual reform."

        Thus if, in various times and circuмstances, there have been deficiencies in moral conduct or in church discipline, or even in the way that church teaching has been formulated -- to be carefully distinguished from the deposit of faith itself -- these can and should be set right at the opportune moment (UR §6; Gaudium et Spes [hereafter GS] §62).

    This last statement, proclaimed in the vernacular version of John XXIII's October 11, 1962 Inaugural Address and which Pope Paul VI confirmed to the letter, is a principle condemned by St. Pius X (Pascendi §11; Lamentabili§§63,64} and Pius XII (Humani Generis).

    >The following proposition, professed by the Council to justify religious liberty, is completely false in relation to the truth of Catholicism, since divine truth surpasses the capacity of our intellect, and cannot be believed without the help of Grace.

        "[T]his Vatican Council likewise professes its belief that it is upon the human conscience that these obligations fall and exert their binding force. The truth cannot impose itself except by virtue of its own truth, as it makes its entrance into the mind at once quietly and with power" (Dignitatis Humanae [hereafter DH], §1).

    The Church has always taught that faith is a gift of God. Moreover, this assertion negates the consequences of original sin in the intellect and will, because of which they are wounded and weakened and therefore prone to errors and deception.


    2) Errors Concerning the Holy Church and the Blessed Virgin Mary

    >Vatican II teaches a false notion of the Holy Church in its error known as the "subsistit in." Due to this error, the concept of the Church is no longer that of the one, true Church of Christ as was always taught. According to its bold assertion the "Church of Christ" subsists, in the Catholic Church and also "through God's goodness," in "multiple elements of sanctification and truth" which are outside her (LG §8; DH§1; UR§3).

    Contrary to the Faith, these statements amount to affirming that there can be salvation of souls outside the Catholic Church. Therefore, the Catholic Church is no longer the unique means of salvation. Thus, too, the communities of heretics and schismatics are also "instruments of salvation" (f/R§3), despite their "deficiencies," because "the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Church" (UR §3).

    Still left to the Catholic Church is that it is "the all-embracing means of salvation" since it is "the general means of salvation" (ibid). Therefore, the Church finds herself demoted from being the sole means of salvation to being just "a general means" -- a very obscure phrase. Due to these statements, the Catholic Church now provides "the all-embracing means of salvation" yet, it provides only the fullness of means and not the only means. This means that, in the mind of the Second Vatican Council, there are means said to be less full which confer salvation. But salvation in itself cannot be "less full," since there is no idea of being "half-saved." Due to these less full means being now found among the brethren termed "separated" and due to their enjoying the Holy Spirit's assistance, salvation can be obtained through them not as individuals but in terms of their being separated communities of heretics and schismatics.

    We find ourselves faced with a manifest theological error, since the "separated" communities are precisely so because they have refused the Holy Spirit's help in correcting their own errors which have led them to be separated. The Council's new doctrine is also incoherent at the level of logic because it is incomprehensible how means of salvation which contain "deficiencies" (and are thus less than those of the Catholic Church) can give the same salvation offered by the Catholic Church. Unequal means would have to correspond to unequal results, not the same result! [See Sidebar "Note on Dominus Jesus ',"— Ed.]

    >The obscure notion of the "Church of Christ" as "Trinitarian mystery," which is the obscure Trinitarian ecclesiology according to which a succession takes place from the Church of the Father to the Church of the Son, and then to the Church of the Holy Spirit (LG §§2-4), a notion which is unknown in the deposit of Faith. According to it, apparently the result of a deformation of a passage of St. Irenaeus (Adv. Haer. Ill, 24, 1), they openly profess a rejuvenation and renewal of the Church by the work of the Holy Spirit, as if we were in a final third age of the Church (LG §4). This perspective seems to reaffirm the errors of Joachim of Floris (d. 1202) condemned by the Fourth Lateran Council.

    >An erroneous notion of collegiality. This idea is juridically abnormal because it recognizes, contrary to tradition and the Church's constitution, two subjects of the supreme power of jurisdiction: the Sovereign Pontiff and the College of Bishops with, at its head, the Pope, although only the latter can exercise it freely (LG §22; also Nota Praevia). Moreover, this erroneous collegiality entails the de facto disappearance of the personal responsibility of each bishop in the government of his diocese, and its replacement by the collective responsibility of the episcopal conferences (Christus Dominus [CD] §37), which now also are ascribed legislative powers (CD §38), and even a wide autonomy in numerous domains traditionally reserved to the exclusive competence of the Holy See.

    >Vatican II presents a gravely erroneous and ambiguous representation of the traditional definition of the Catholic Church as the Mystical Body of Christ. This is especially clear in LG, which is dedicated to this point:

        "In the human nature united to Himself the Son of God, by overcoming death through His own death and resurrection, redeemed man and remolded him into a new creature" (cf. Gal. 6:15; II Cor. 5:17) (Z,G§7).

    The idea here seems to express the Redemption as already having taken place for each man (!) and that from that moment it is declared that man was transformed "into a new creature," not because he believed in Christ, not because he was converted and became a Catholic with the help of the Holy Ghost, not by his faith supported by grace (as clearly stated in Gal. 6:15 and II Cor. 5:17 but improperly quoted by the Council), but through the fact, per se, of Christ's Incarnation, sacrifice, and even His Resurrection. Therefore, the "Mystical Body" will be made up of "new creatures," who are considered to have been remolded in this way. This is the error of the objective and universal redemption, the battering ram of the "New Theology." It makes a total abstraction of the roles of free will, faith, and works in obtaining salvation. Obviously, the aim of this concept is to assimilate the "Mystical Body of Christ" into humanity (LG§1).

    [This extremely IMHO important paragraph has so many
    important parts I could not decide which ones to emphasize,
    so I emphasized the entire paragraph. ~Nl.Obs.]

    >Another false notion of Vatican II is that of the "Church," which is newly conceived as "the people of God" and no longer as "the Mystical Body of Christ" (LG §§9-13) which is definitively more exclusive. On the one hand, the new definition takes the part for the whole, meaning that it takes the "people of God," mentioned in I Pet. 2:10, for the totality of the Church. This is a radical twist lending itself to a strictly "democratic" and "communitarian" vision of the Church herself, a vision alien to Catholic Tradition but close to the thinking and meaning of Protestant heretics. On the other hand, the hierarchy is included in the idea of "people," and so are defined simply as "members of the people of God" (LG§13). This is an unusual and indefensible "communitarian" perspective. According to this new perspective, the hierarchy is dumbed down and made to seem to participate in the Mystical Body of Christ along with "the people."

    This false notion of "the people of God" is superimposed on the orthodox idea of the "Mystical Body." In this new conception, the hierarchy now participates in the "collective" as represented by the "people of God." In this new view, the priest loses his authentic meaning because he becomes a mere function of the "people of God" as a whole. This function is exercised under two forms: [my emphasis ~Nl.Obs.]

    1) the "common priesthood of the faithful," and
    2) the "ministerial" or "hierarchic" priesthood, that is, the authentic priesthood of priests.

    [Note: it is actually quite difficult for a Catholic to anticipate
    the implications of how a fundamental change in principle like
    this can effect the thinking of believers and the reality of the
    Church. This concept will be referred to in future installments,
    and as one interacts with modern Catholics, one may become
    aware of how this change has effected a new reality that did
    not exist before in the thinking of Catholics. What has
    happened is, a new religion has been evoked. ~Nl.Obs.]

    >Vatican II obscures the idea of the Church's holiness, which belongs to the deposit of faith.

        "Similarly, the Church encompasses with her love all those who are poor and who suffer, the image of the poor and suffering founder. She does all in her power to relieve their need and in them she strives to serve Christ. Christ, 'holy, innocent and undefiled' (Heb. 7:26) knew nothing of sin (II Cor. 5:21), but came only to expiate the sins of the people (cf. Heb. 2:17). The Church, however, clasping sinners to her bosom, at once holy and always in need of purification, follows constantly the path of penance and renewal" (LG §8 [emphasis added -Ed.]).

    This is an obvious theological error, since it is the sinner who is in need of purification, not the Church (!), thanks to whom the sinner obtains it. Holiness and perfection belong to the Catholic Church in as much as it is the Mystical Body of Christ, founded by Him and governed through the intermediary of the Holy Ghost, that is, always safeguarded by the Church through the deposit of Faith and the Sacraments. For us, these have a religious, metaphysical, and theological value, which the faults of Churchmen or the faithful cannot, by definition, damage. Therefore, it is completely erroneous to insist --

        "... that those who approach the sacrament of Penance obtain pardon from the mercy of God for the offences committed against Him and are at the same time reconciled with the Church which they have wounded by their sins" (LG §11).

    It is also erroneous to insist that "the Church on earth is endowed already with a sanctity that is real though imperfect...." (LG §48) because of sin, which continually wounds her. This is wrong to say because sin offends God, but wounds and therefore damages only whoever commits it. Punishment only applies to the sinner since judgment is for the individual. It is not in the deposit of Faith that the Catholic Church herself can be "wounded" by the sins of her members.

    >By its man-centeredness, Vatican II has deformed the notion of "sin."

        "For sin brought man to a lower state, forcing him away from the completeness that is his to attain" (GS§13).

    In other words, sin prevents man from attaining his "fullness." Rather, it should say that, sin "prevents him from attaining his salvation." The error promotes the belief that man's "fullness" and the absence of contradictions within himself axe the principal values and, moreover, are elements of the idea of sin. On the contrary, the Church's perennial teaching is that sin is an offense committed against God because of which we merit legitimate punishment, including eternal damnation. This truth of the Faith was not recalled in any of the Council's texts.

    >There is an attribution of a new mission to the Holy See -- to bring about human unity -- which does not correspond to anything ever taught before in the Catholic Church. LG§1 asserts:

        "Since the Church, in Christ, is in the nature of sacrament -- a sign and instrument, that is, of communion with God and unity among all men [emphasis added]  -- she here purposes, for the benefit of the faithful and of the whole world, to set forth, as clearly as possible, and in the tradition laid down by earlier Councils, her own nature and universal mission. The condition of the modern world lends greater urgency to this duty of the Church; for, while men of the present day are drawn ever more closely together by social, technical, and cultural bonds, it still remains for them to achieve full unity in Christ."

    [Please Note: When you read such terms in the Vat. II docs as "Church" or
    "Christ" or "nature" or "Sacrament" or "God" or "faithful" or "set forth" or
    "tradition laid down by earlier Councils" you are making a very serious mistake
    to presume you know what these terms mean in relation to their use in the doc
    you are presently reading. This is why ALL of Vat. II is pernicious, why ALL of it
    is infected with heresy: because you never know what its words mean, simply
    because of the fact that you are reading them on the page. Nothing is
    unchangeable is the most fundamental principle of Vatican II. Everything is in
    flux,
    even the meaning of such words as "God" or "Sacrament." ~Nl.Obs.]

    This is not surprising, since Article 42 of GS says "the encouragement of unity is in harmony with the deepest nature of the Church's mission..." and then quotes the above passage from LG to support itself.

    [Vatican II uses this deceptive tactic often, of leaving an essential meaning out
    of one area, but leaving a footnote or a "confer" reference to some other text in
    Vat. II where the novel and/or unprecedented re-definition of standard terms is
    contained. ~Nl.Obs.]

    But this does not mean unity in service of the salvation of souls, a unity that is therefore attained through conversion to Catholicism. Rather, this unity seems to result merely from the "intimate union with God" of the entire human race as such. This idea was introduced into the Council's texts thanks to a heterodox reinterpretation, typical of the "New Theology," of the dogmas of the Incarnation and the Redemption. Those texts were turned upside down to the extent of pushing them aside in order to put into place the idea of the so-called "objective" Redemption being realized, thanks to the Incarnation, in all men, independently of their conscience and will, as if they were "anonymous" Christians. [my emph. ~Nl.Obs.]

    But the Church's mission is the one that Our Lord gave her: "Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptising them..." (Mt. 28:19). Thus, the Church's "intimate mission" is to convert the greatest possible number of souls to Christ before the Parousia, without caring about bringing about the unity of the human race, a chimeric ideal, and one that is intrinsically anti-Christian because it is a form of the divinization of man, exalting him and gazing upon him, an ideal imported from Illuminist philosophy and piously professed by Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. [my emph.
    ~Nl.Obs.]

    >Vatican II tells us "the Blessed Virgin advanced in her pilgrimage of faith" (LG §58), as if-for one could understand her "pilgrimage of faith" in this way-from the Annunciation, she did not know that Jesus was the Son of God, consubstantial with the Father, the prophesied Messiah now announced.

    >The Council docuмents teach another gravely inadequate idea of the Church, reducing her to just one sociological, descriptive, and simple aspect, which is summarized in this excerpt:

        "The Church also claims freedom for herself as a society of men with the right to live in civil society in accordance with the demands of the Christian faith" (DH§13).

    This leads to complete amnesia of the fact that the Church has always been [deemed]* as a perfect society by nature and by law, due to Her divine institution and exalted end:

    *[sspxasia website has "denned"]

        "And just as the end at which the Church aims is by far the noblest of ends, so is its authority the most exalted of all authority, nor can it be looked upon as inferior to the civil power, or in any manner dependent upon it" (Immortale Dei, Leo XIII).

    Vatican II guarded against reaffirming this traditional doctrine of the Church's indirect power over civil society and the State.

    [Note: Do not miss the subtle difference here: an Ecuмenical Council
    should guard the traditional doctrine of the Church, but Vat. II guarded
    against any reaffirmation of this, and other, traditional doctrines of the
    Church!]



    3) Errors Concerning the Holy Mass and Sacred Liturgy

    >Vatican II officially adopted the obscurantist idea of the "Paschal mystery," the battering ram of the "New Theology." Redemption is realized principally "in the paschal mystery of the passion, resurrection and ascension" of Christ (Sacrosanctum Concilium [hereafter SC] §5). Therefore, redemption is no longer principally the result from the Crucifixion's value as an expiatory sacrifice by which divine justice was satisfied. Moreover, the Holy Mass is identified with the "Paschal Mystery." The Council declared that the Church, from its beginning, was always brought together in an assembly "to celebrate the Paschal mystery," (SC§6) and that she "celebrates the Paschal mystery every seventh day"(SC§106).

    Next, Baptism is treated. By baptism, "men are grafted onto the Paschal mystery of Christ" (SC§6), and not that it causes them to enter into the Holy Church, as if the "Paschal mystery" were the same thing as the Catholic Church, the Mystical Body of Christ. It is a vague, indeterminate, irrational definition that (precisely because of these characteristics) permits altering the meaning of the Redemption and the Mass, thereby hiding the sacrificial and expiatory nature of the latter behind emphasis on the Resurrection and the Ascension -- on the Glorious Christ instead of the Suffering Christ -- contrary to what was affirmed at Trent. [my emphasis ~Nl.Obs.]

    >The Second Vatican Council is guilty of error in its unclear and incomplete definition of the Holy Mass as "a memorial of [our Lord's] death and resurrection...," with death and resurrection placed on the same level and without the least mention of the dogma of transubstantiation or of the character of the Mass itself as a propitiatory sacrifice (5'C§§47).

    Because of this silence, this definition falls again into the category solemnly condemned by Pope Pius VI as being "pernicious, unfaithful to the explanation of Catholic truth on the dogma of the transubstantiation, favorable to heretics" (Auctorem Fidei). It also introduces a false concept of the Holy Mass, a concept which served as the basis for the new liturgy desired by the Council, thanks to which the errors of the "New Theology" were delivered to the faithful. [my emphasis ~Nl.Obs]

    The Protestant taint of this definition devolves even more clearly in Article 106 of SC:

        "....the Church celebrates the Paschal mystery every seventh day, which day is appropriately called the Lord's day or Sunday. For on this day Christ's faithful are bound to come together into one place. They should listen to the word of God and take part in the Eucharist, thus calling to mind the passion, resurrection, and glory of the Lord Jesus, and giving thanks to God who 'has begotten them again, through the resurrection of Christ from the dead, unto a living hope' (I Pet. 1:3)."

    Beyond a shadow of a doubt, the original Latin text shows more clearly than the English that, according to SC, the Holy Mass's end is memorial and praise. For more proof of this prevailing mentality, see also Ad Gentes Divinitus (§14): catechumens participate in the Holy Mass, meaning that they "celebrate with all the people of God the memorial of the death of the Lord," in which the Holy Mass is simply the memorial of the death and resurrection of Christ celebrated by all Christian people. There is not the least mention of the renewed Sacrifice of the Cross offered in an unbloody way for the expiation and pardon of our sins.

    It should be noted here that already in these Articles there is the definition of the Mass that will be again vigorously stated in the deadly Article 7 of the 1969 Institutio Generalis of the new Roman Missal. This was a definition which, at the time, elicited protests from many of the faithful and priests, including the famous positions taken by Cardinals Bacci and Ottaviani, because of these demonstrably Protestant words of heretical character: "The Lord's Supper is the assembly or meeting of the People of God, met together with a priest presiding, to celebrate the Memorial of the Lord."

    Compare this definition with the orthodox one contained in the Catechism of Saint Pius X:

        "No. 159. What is the Holy Mass? The Holy Mass is the Sacrifice of the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ which, under the species of bread and wine, are offered by the priest to God on the altar in memory and renewal of the Sacrifice of the Cross."

    >The spirit of Vatican II is to elevate the Eucharistic assembly, presided over by the priest, to being the center of the visible Church:

        "Therefore the eucharistic celebration is the center of the assembly of the faithful over which the priest presides. Hence priests teach the faithful to offer the divine victim to God the Father in the sacrifice of the Mass and with the victim to make an offering of their whole life" (Pres-byterorum Ordinis §5).

    Notice, therefore, the function of the priest in the Holy Mass is reduced to that of teaching the faithful to offer the divine victim and themselves in union with that victim. Does this mean that the priest must "teach [the faithful] to offer the divine victim" and remain silent about the fact that, above all, the priest makes the offering in persona Christi on behalf of sinful men for the expiation of their sins?!

    Also manifested here is the idea of the concelebration of the priest and the people, expressly condemned by the pre-Conciliar Magisterium. This is an idea based on the Protestant false conception that the faithful are strictly all priests of the New Testament by reason of baptism, from which it follows that there can be no real distinction between the "priesthood of the faithful" and the "hierarchic priesthood."

    >Vatican II is guilty of the specific meaning attributed to the "Liturgy of the Word," a meaning not limited to preaching and the sermon, but considered capable of realizing in itself Christ's presence in the Holy Mass! Thus, SC states: "[Christ] is present in his word since it is he who speaks when the holy scriptures are read in Church" (§7). The "word" is one of the sensible signs --

         "... by which man's sanctification under the guise of sign, perceptible by the senses and its accomplishment in ways appropriate to each [of] these signs..." (SC §7; also see SC §10).

    [The current official Vatican translation of SC §7 has no mention of
    "Liturgy of the Word" (and I suspect there may have been some kind
    of revision, therefore, after this Si Si No No article was published in
    2003) but is as found containing these fragments, it has:
    7. To accomplish so great a work, Christ is always present in His
    Church, especially in her liturgical celebrations. ... He is present in
    His word, since it is He Himself who speaks when the holy scriptures
    are read in the Church. ...
    ... Rightly, then, the liturgy is considered as an exercise of the priestly
    office of Jesus Christ. In the liturgy the sanctification of the man is
    signified by signs perceptible to the senses, and is effected in a way
    which corresponds with each of these signs;
    in the liturgy the
    whole public worship is performed by the Mystical Body of Jesus
    Christ, that is, by the Head and His members. From this it follows that
    every liturgical celebration, because it is an action of Christ the priest
    and of His Body which [is]* the Church, is a sacred action surpassing
    all others; no other action of the Church can equal its efficacy by the
    same title and to the same degree. ~Nl.Obs.]

    [It seems to me that SC §10 in the Vatican site version is irrelevant to
    this matter of "sacrament" and "signs tangible to the senses." ~Nl.Obs.]
    *[The Vatican website page has "which .s the" not "which is the" ~Nl.Obs.]


    And so:

        "...[T]he preaching of the Word is required for the sacramental ministry itself, since the sacraments are sacraments of faith, drawing their origin and nourishment from the Word. This is of paramount importance in the case of the liturgy of the Word within the celebration of Mass where there is an inseparable union of the proclamation of the Lord's death and resurrection, the response of its hearers and the offering of itself by which Christ confirmed the new covenant in his blood. In this offering the faithful share both by their sacrificial sentiments and by the reception of the sacrament" (Pres-byterorum Ordinis §4).

    [The sspxasia page has "Presbytewrum Ordinis §4"  --AND,
    I have added the hyphen in "Pres-byter" because the CathInfo edit bot
    tries to replace the word with #### such that no one will ever know
    what I have recorded here for accurate reference to a docuмent in a
    good site that might be "scrubbed" in the future. I suspect Matthew
    became tired of sedevacantists bickering over the word. This would be
    an example of how fallen human nature gives sedevacantism a bad
    image that is not IMHO inherent in sedevacantism. ~Nl.Obs.]

    From this passage as well as from the previously quoted ones,

        "Scripture seen in this way is no longer meant for the instruction of faith, a faith from which mystical experience can flow. Now Scripture is meant to produce mystical experience, an experience which is supposed to nourish knowledge of the faith" ([emphasis added -Ed.] The Problem of the Liturgical Reform: A Theological and Liturgical Study, p.66. Angelus Press. Price: $9.95).

    This is an irrational concept of Protestant origin and does not conform to the deposit of Faith. It leads to thinking of the Holy Mass as merely spiritual nourishment of the collective of the faithful. [my emphasis ~Nl.Obs.]

    >The Second Vatican Council devalued the "private Mass" which the Holy Church always allowed, and which was celebrated without the presence and active participation of the faithful, but was individual and quasi-private. This devaluation was expressly disapproved^ Pope Pius XII in Mediator Dei, yet Vatican II affirmed it:

        "It must be emphasized that rites which are meant to be celebrated in common, with the faithful present and actively participating, should as far as possible be celebrated in that way rather than by an individual and quasi-privately.

        "This applies with special force to the celebration of Mass (even though every Mass has of itself a public and social nature) and to the administration of the sacraments" (SC, §27).



    Martin Luther was particularly hostile to the "private Mass" and attributed his fervor in opposing it to the Devil's inspiration.
    [my emphasis ~Nl.Obs.]



    >Vatican II promoted the adaptation of worship to secular culture, to the different traditions and temperaments of people, to their language, music, and art, through creativity and liturgical experimentation (SC §§37-40,90,119) and through simplification of the rite itself (^C §§21,34). This was against the constant teaching of the Magisterium according to which it was the peoples' cultures that must adapt to the exigencies of the Catholic rite, with nothing ever having been conceded to creativity or experimentation or to any idea of men's temperaments in any given time in history.

    >The Second Vatican Council introduced the novel" unheard-of, and extraordinary competence attributed to episcopal conferences in liturgical matters, including a broad faculty for experimenting with new forms of worship (,SC §§22,39,40), as against the constant teaching of the Magisterium, which always reserved all competence in that area to the Sovereign Pontiff, and was always hostile to all innovation in the liturgical domain (Inter Gravissimas, Gregory XVI, Feb. 3, 1832.).



    Canonicus


        Translated by Suzanne M. Rini and edited by Fr. Kenneth Novak. All quotes from Vatican Council II and post-Conciliar docuмents are taken from Vatican Council II: The Conciliar and Post-Conciliar Docuмents, Harry J. Costello and Rev. Austin Flannery, O.P. (Costello Publishing Co., Inc., 1975). All Scripture references are from the Douay-Rheims Bible (TAN Books and Publishers).



    [Please note: the Costello and Flannery sources are long ago
    respected as being good translations. If anyone has any specific
    evidence of the Vatican having made changes in the "official"
    English translations of Vat. II docs, or, perhaps even changes in
    the original Latin docs, please post it here, or if you post it in
    another thread, if you would be so kind as to post here in this
    thread some mention of the fact, and a link to the other thread
    where your research can be found. Thank you!! ~Nl.Obs]

    [Note: I have attempted to correct typos, including those found on
    the source webpage that appear due to character recognition
    mistakes, e.g., "LG" for Lumen Gentium is in some places found
    as "Z,G" the "Z," having been an italics L that perhaps
    someone's character recognition program read as Z followed by a
    comma; or "17)" which should have obviously been 11), since it
    follows 10) and is the last one in the list. Other corrections I have
    made include changing } to ] and w to or, etc. Also, in case you think
    I am being somehow inexplicably generous of my time for doing this
    editorial work on CathInfo, I must confess, that I am doing it rather
    after a selfish motive, for now I am compelled to study the SiSiNoNo
    material more closely and arrive therefore at a deeper
    comprehension, which is what I desire for myself, and if possible, to
    share it with others, but I do not have the self-discipline to do this
    study on my own and merely for my own benefit, unfortunately.
    ~Nl.Obs.]
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