I don't believe a person who denies BoD has any idea at all what the Magisterium is.
It is the living voice of God on earth, and therefore you eaither must attribute the Promulgated Missale Romanum of Paul VI as an act of Christ's will for his Church or deny the authority issuing it. It's really all that is available to you, otherwise you charge the Church with handing down harmful disciplines, which is condemned by Pope Pius VI.
Which will it be?

The mass of PPVI obviously is not an act of Christ's will for His Church, yet PPVI promulgated it using his authority along with the authority of the hierarchy because there was nothing to stop him - no one should ever accuse the Church, which is Christ, of handing down harmful disciplines.

The people who went along with the new religion, those who helped further the destruction wrought by the hierarchy of the day, they were the ones who compromised the faith for themselves and their children - and they did so of their own free will, they'll never be able to blame anyone but themselves for losing their faith. Many of them did so while using the excuse that they did so in "obedience to the pope and the magisterium" - but before God, such a farce of a reason will never relieve them of their guilt in the matter.

The flavor of the day was "if the pope said to do it then blindly, we must do it".  So many people believed this lie because that is what they were taught. These days that same polluted mentality prevails - I attribute that mentality in large part to the half truths taught by certain "well respected" 19th/20th century theologians, whose false teachings have been embraced as if they are authentic teachings of the Church.

In the words of +ABL:

"After all of these liberal ideas have been infiltrated into the seminaries, the catechisms and all the manifestations of the church, I am now being asked to align myself with these liberal ideas."  

Do you understand Stubborn that Popes own authority is Christ's? The authority he uses to promulgate an act is Christ wielding that authority. That's why he's a Vicar. He wields the authority of Christ. Papal authority is not divorced from Him but exists as a participation IN him.

Every act in the AAS is, or ought to be, something you can attribute to Christ.

Why don't you actually address what Stubborn wrote, rather than just using the usual..."The Pope must be obeyed no matter what," approach?

The sedevacantists use the same type of logic....that everything is absolutely black-and-white.

Do you understand Stubborn that Popes own authority is Christ's? The authority he uses to promulgate an act is Christ wielding that authority. That's why he's a Vicar. He wields the authority of Christ. Papal authority is not divorced from Him but exists as a participation IN him.

Every act in the AAS is, or ought to be, something you can attribute to Christ.

Sorry Augustinus but your understanding of the the pope's own authority as regards this matter is the same understanding that people were taught, which helped give legs to this crisis. Your understanding, which is typical, as +ABL described: "...all of these liberal ideas have been infiltrated into the seminaries, the catechisms and all the manifestations of the church,"  I accuse certain "well respected" 19th/20th century theologians for disseminating those liberal ideas which ended up in all the manifestations of the Church.

There was nothing to stop the pope and hierarchy from doing what they did. Nothing. But because the masses were taught to believe as you and most believe, they chose to abandon their faith, the only faith that all Catholics knew for +500 years, for the new faith under the guise of "that Popes own authority is Christ's no matter what" - which is a lie.

To get an understanding of what the Pastoral Council (V2) was, read this OP.

Ultimately, Meg, that's right. 

The actual approach is that all the official Magisterial acts of the Papacy YOU OWE submission of mind and will.

This is wrong. I would like to see where got this from.

Please provide your source.

FYI, the truth of the matter is, those things which we are bound in conscience too besides dogmatic decrees, are doctrinal decisions stemming from pontifical congregations, or to points of doctrine which, with common and constant consent, are held in the Church as truths and as theological conclusions so certain that opposing opinions, though they may not be dubbed heretical, nonetheless, merit some other form of theological censure. - Pope Pius IX

We are never to owe anyone and are even forbidden by God to give submission of our mind and will to anyone except God, certainly not even the pope - but it should be getting plain to see that with a mentality like that, is there any wonder the sheeple compromised by the millions upon the wishes of the pope and hierarcy?

We are never to owe anyone and are even forbidden by God to give submission of our mind and will to anyone except God, certainly not even the pope 

False.  That's a Protestant attitude.  When it comes to the Magisterium, the pope takes the place of God and requires our submission (as properly defined).  This does not mean absolute intellectual assent to every non-infallible proposition because, after all, it's theoretically possible that some error has crept in.

False.  That's a Protestant attitude.  When it comes to the Magisterium, the pope takes the place of God and requires our submission (as properly defined).  This does not mean absolute intellectual assent to every non-infallible proposition because, after all, it's theoretically possible that some error has crept in.

False, that is a Catholic principle, not a prot attitude.

When it comes to the magisterium (Church teaching) yes I can agree we owe our submission to that, but the pope never takes God's place to the point that we owe the man submission of our mind and will, he is God's representative on earth, he is not God.

Please post the source that teaches we owe the pope submission of our mind and will.