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Re: What good is Sedevacantism?
« Reply #60 on: March 30, 2017, 07:19:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on March 26, 2017, 03:28:37 PM
    Or, "What does Sedevacantism add to Traditional Catholicism, in the work of saving our souls?"

    That's what I meant by "What good is sedevacantism?" 
    here is what i have learned by being in the NO group. I have gotten a lot out of Mass,  NO Mass. But there is a lot of creepy stuff going on in the RCC these days, meaning the non-traditional Church, and so i am attracted to the sedavacantists

    I always thought or was told (both) they were in schism, but it is the NO people who are schismatic. And look what the NO folks created? a monster...  a Frankenstein called Francis. I'm sorry, God, if that is not how you  want me to say things but that happens to be my true thoughts/feelings.

    That guy is no more Catholic than Jack Chick

    I want him to step down.

    Does this answer your question? Hmmm... I like the NO when there is a good priest celebrating Mass. But I have known just SO many bad priests, priests who actually seem to hate their parishioners, are abusive and etc. I know this one priest who, when a homeless Catholic person needed help, pretty much essentially told the person to take a flying leap, would not get help from the "Catholic" Church (not that one anyway). Real Christian, isn't it? The reason the person was homeless was because of persecution for standing up for what was right, but some priests are just like non-priests: if you are homeless, it is because you are lazy and stupid and irresponsible. I dont know if the priest thought that about this person but that's what it looked like. In any case, i am digressing. So I will just say that I am totally disenchanted with "the Church" --the NO priests.. in general     
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    Re: What good is Sedevacantism?
    « Reply #61 on: March 30, 2017, 07:42:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: sedevacantist3 on March 30, 2017, 04:50:49 PM
    what good is your opposite theory..in believing someone who odes not profess the Catholic faith is your pope..what good is it ?
    I have no "opposite theory", I am however waiting, likely in vain, for some sede to actually answer the question directly which was asked in the OP and is the title of this thread.
     
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    Re: What good is Sedevacantism?
    « Reply #62 on: March 30, 2017, 08:56:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on March 30, 2017, 07:42:57 PM
    I have no "opposite theory", I am however waiting, likely in vain, for some sede to actually answer the question directly which was asked in the OP and is the title of this thread.
    you do, you believe a non catholic is head of the Catholic Church..as a sedevacantist I believe the opposite...the freemason is not my pope...so stillwaiting for the answer..what good is your position..your question is ridiculous
    Archbishop Lefebvre, Aug. 4, 1976: “The Council [Vatican II] turned its back on Tradition and broke with the Church of the past. It is a schismatic council… If we are certain that the Faith taught by the Church for twenty centuries can contain no error, we are much less certain that the pope is truly pope. Heresy, schism, excommunication ipso facto, or invalid election are all causes that can possibly mean the pope was never pope, or is no longer pope
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    Re: What good is Sedevacantism?
    « Reply #63 on: March 31, 2017, 04:28:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: sedevacantist3 on March 30, 2017, 08:56:54 PM
    you do, you believe a non catholic is head of the Catholic Church..as a sedevacantist I believe the opposite...the freemason is not my pope...so stillwaiting for the answer..what good is your position..your question is ridiculous.

    No, as I already said, I have no opposite theory, I was looking for an answer to what you call a "ridiculous question", you call the question ridiculous and will not answer it because you have no clue, apparently for you it's all about your having "the pope problem" as Fr. Cekada likes to call it.


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    Archbishop Lefebvre, Aug. 4, 1976: “The Council [Vatican II] turned its back on Tradition and broke with the Church of the past. It is a schismatic council… If we are certain that the Faith taught by the Church for twenty centuries can contain no error, we are much less certain that the pope is truly pope. Heresy, schism, excommunication ipso facto, or invalid election are all causes that can possibly mean the pope was never pope, or is no longer pope.

    I always am somewhat amazed when the sedevacantists resort to quoting anti-sedevacantist saints, fathers, magisterial teachings and even anti-sedevacantist Archbishop Lefebvre in their attempts to vindicate their sedevacantism. Doing such things is quite illogical, do you actually believe it to be a help to your cause?

    If you are going to quote from authoritative sources to vindicate sedevacantism at all, then you need to quote from sedevacantist bishops, sedevacantists saints and fathers and sedevacantist magisterial teachings from sedevacantist popes.   
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    Re: What good is Sedevacantism?
    « Reply #64 on: March 31, 2017, 04:34:28 AM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on March 31, 2017, 12:10:15 AM
    I am pretty sure the answer to this question is that Sedevacantism is not good. It is not good because our Church is without a Pope now for a long time. How could anybody think that that's good. It does not make it any less true though. Sedevacantism is not good because we have no one person in authority right now to judge on the issues that inflict the Church's faithful. This is the punishment that we receive for the injustice done to our God. What we do have is the Dogmas of the Church to guide us right now. Sedevacantism is just the label we put on our current state of affairs based on the Dogmas and Teachings of the Church. So Sedevacantism is not good.
    Thank seven for giving a clear answer! Your post should be up-thumbed all over the place for being the only answer to the question in this whole thread.
    Although we disagree on the pope's validity issue, thanks for your answer.
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    Re: What good is Sedevacantism?
    « Reply #65 on: March 31, 2017, 08:33:23 AM »
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    • Maybe we can all join together in spending more time praying that God will bless us a holy traditional Catholic pope instead of arguing about whether Sedevacantism is good or bad?   :)

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    Re: What good is Sedevacantism?
    « Reply #66 on: March 31, 2017, 09:57:03 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on March 30, 2017, 07:42:57 PM
    I have no "opposite theory", I am however waiting, likely in vain, for some sede to actually answer the question directly which was asked in the OP and is the title of this thread.
    The question was answered in several posts early in the topic.  I can't help it if you read but won't comprehend.
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    Re: What good is Sedevacantism?
    « Reply #67 on: March 31, 2017, 10:07:02 AM »
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    • No, it was not answered, certainly you never answered it - you never answer questions.

    To see what an answer looks like, read seven's post. That's answering a clear question with a clear answer.
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    Re: What good is Sedevacantism?
    « Reply #68 on: March 31, 2017, 02:52:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on March 31, 2017, 12:10:15 AM

    I am pretty sure the answer to this question is that Sedevacantism is not good. It is not good because our Church is without a Pope now for a long time. How could anybody think that that's good. It does not make it any less true though. Sedevacantism is not good because we have no one person in authority right now to judge on the issues that inflict the Church's faithful. This is the punishment that we receive for the injustice done to our God. What we do have is the Dogmas of the Church to guide us right now. Sedevacantism is just the label we put on our current state of affairs based on the Dogmas and Teachings of the Church. So Sedevacantism is not good.
    i can see why you'd think this

    but here's the thing: We still have the Church despite not having a valid pope. JEsus promised HIs Church would prevail even against the gates of Hell.

    If Francis ever OFFICIALLY taught heresy, I believe God would strike him dead

    that has happend in the history of the papacy. A pope  was getting ready to declare a certain version of the Bible valid and  the right one etc.. and yet it was full of heresies. The cardinals and everyone else were in a tizzy wondering what to do

    when suddenly this rather young pope just dropped dead.

    i wish i could give u more details but that is probably enough... eh?
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    Re: What good is Sedevacantism?
    « Reply #69 on: March 31, 2017, 04:31:02 PM »
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    • What Good is Sedevacantism


    To know what is "Good" about Sedevacantism , we must first know what it is, and what it represents !

    Try this out for size...


    What is Sedevacantism?

    Sedevacantism comes from the Latin sede vacante, which means “seat vacant.” It is the position held by traditional Catholics who claim that the Papal Seat, the Holy See, has been vacant since the death of Pope Pius XII in 1958.

    Sedevacantists believe that the subsequent claimants to the papal office — John XXIII (1958–1963), Paul VI (1963–1978), John Paul I (1978), John Paul II (1978–2005) and Benedict XVI (since 2005) — have been neither true Catholics nor true, legitimate popes.

    Sedevacantism owes its origins to the rejection of the theological and disciplinary changes implemented following the Second Vatican Council (1962–1965).

    Sedevacantists reject this Council and all its decrees, most notably its docuмents on ecuмenism and religious liberty, which contradicts the traditional teachings of the Catholic Church and denies the unique mission of Catholicism as the one true religion, outside of which there is no salvation.

    Sedevacantists also reject the New Mass of Paul VI, promulgated on 3 April 1969, as invalid since it has changed the words of consecration and deviated from the tradition of the Church.

    See if That will help you out!

    What good does all this do ? ,,,

    It reconizes, there is not a true Pope in the chair of Peter, and that a Heretic , cannot be a Pope, or head of the Holy Roman Catholic Church,  Outside of Which their is No Salvation..








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    Re: What good is Sedevacantism?
    « Reply #70 on: March 31, 2017, 05:45:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on March 31, 2017, 04:28:30 AM
    No, as I already said, I have no opposite theory, I was looking for an answer to what you call a "ridiculous question", you call the question ridiculous and will not answer it because you have no clue, apparently for you it's all about your having "the pope problem" as Fr. Cekada likes to call it.


    I always am somewhat amazed when the sedevacantists resort to quoting anti-sedevacantist saints, fathers, magisterial teachings and even anti-sedevacantist Archbishop Lefebvre in their attempts to vindicate their sedevacantism. Doing such things is quite illogical, do you actually believe it to be a help to your cause?

    If you are going to quote from authoritative sources to vindicate sedevacantism at all, then you need to quote from sedevacantist bishops, sedevacantists saints and fathers and sedevacantist magisterial teachings from sedevacantist popes.  




    You do have an oposite position to that of the sedevacantist, you believe a non catholic is head of the Church of Christ..why can't you answer the question...what good is it?

    your question is ridiculous, a person who holds the sedevacantist position didn't create the crisis...we're in a crisis period. what good is it? ...so you don't have a clue

    I quote Lefebvre precisely because he didn't hold the sedevacantist position. yet he questioned seriously the question of whether the pope was a true pope....before jew Borgolio came along, your freemason pope who spews anti catholicism at an unprecedented rate ...  totally logical, do you get it now or will you continue with your nonsense
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    Re: What good is Sedevacantism?
    « Reply #71 on: March 31, 2017, 06:43:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: BumphreyHogart on March 30, 2017, 05:25:46 PM
    The question, "What good is Sedevacantism?" is actually a secondary question.

    The first question must be, "is it true?"

    So, assuming it is true....
    Of course it is good. God is Truth. Truth is good. Truth opposes error. We are obliged to seek and hold to the truth come what may, and to help eradicated error that are brothers are affected by. The truth eradicates contradictions. All of that is good and pleases God. Pleasing God is the meaning of life. Furthermore, when facing any problem, one must understand the problem first in order to expect a secure and lasting solution in the future, even if we don't know yet what that exactly is. Sedevacantism does all of this.....again, assuming it is true.

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    Re: What good is Sedevacantism?
    « Reply #72 on: March 31, 2017, 07:36:19 PM »
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    • Well, for myself, I am looking for the True Precious Blood.  You know, the "Pelican" feeding her young blood from her breast.
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    Re: What good is Sedevacantism?
    « Reply #73 on: March 31, 2017, 07:42:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: songbird on March 31, 2017, 07:36:19 PM
    Well, for myself, I am looking for the True Precious Blood.  You know, the "Pelican" feeding her young blood from her breast.

    Please express that in real terms now, so that we know what you mean.
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    Re: What good is Sedevacantism?
    « Reply #74 on: March 31, 2017, 07:44:33 PM »
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    • Precious Blood is in all the sacraments, IF, priests are Truly ordained.  That is what I want, Precious Blood, for the Powers are in the Blood and Body of Christ. Correct!?
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