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Offline alaric

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What event had the most negative effect on the Church?
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2012, 06:35:59 PM »
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  • Personally, I would put  the appearance of Mohamed and the Great Schism at 1 and 2 at a toss up.

    I think people fail to realize  several major Christian centers fell that were the cradle of Christianity like Antioch and Jerusalem within a hundred years after the birth of Islam and how much the Church eventually lost because of the desert prophet. Think about today with almost a billion Muslims and growing at a faster rate than the Church how devastating Islam truly has become to all of Christianity in the long run and will eventually overtake the Church in a few short years. Over the course of the millennium, Islam, with the exception of worldwide Jewry, has been the sempiternal enemy of the cross.

    The Great Schism was really the beginning of many divisions including the Reformation and caused the Church no unified front especially against Islam in the East which eventually caused the fall of Constantinople with the Church and Western civilization losing a major cultural center and bulwark against Islam in the East.

    Without the Schism, I don't believe Islam could have ever made the inroads they eventually accomplished. It still haunts us today.

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    What event had the most negative effect on the Church?
    « Reply #16 on: June 04, 2012, 10:17:57 PM »
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  • Ethelred is right: Lutheranism is the sect that has caused the most damage to civilization throughout the ages, affecting everything from theological doctrine to philosophy to economy to commerce to popular culture, etc. This is, in part, because it synthesized and further transmogrified the errors of the heresiarchs of previous ages (i. e., Pelagianism, nominalism, etc.). It was, in a real sense, an prototype of modernism.

    Without Luther, we would not have Kant or Hegel or Nietzsche, nor the anti-economics of "imaginary" money: the anti-Thomistic pseudo-philosophies paved the way for the 19th and 20th century modernists and the anti-economic apparatus now in place has destroyed countless souls by debasing them to materialism, practical naturalism, pragmatism, &c. All that led to whatever was spawned by "Vatican II."

    Caraffa is right too: the secular humanism and horizontalist anthropocentrism of the Renaissance caused even the best souls to become tepid and lax, making them weak before temptation and attacks against the Church. It paved the way for the cult of man, which is basically what Luther had initiated in a more efficient manner than previous heresiarchs and knaves.

    The sect of Mahomet has flourished only because the above-mentioned events came to pass. Consequently, Catholics were lulled into lamentable torpor and tepidity regarding the holy faith. The great Schism was not so much the occasion of that sect's increase as was the Protestant revolt and the humanism that was its precursor. Lepanto is the best example of how the Church triumphed so gloriously against the Islamist heathen, when a holy Pope reigned and Catholics (as individuals and as communities) had recourse to prayer and corresponded with grace.

    Secular humanism and the legacy of Luther have led to the devastation assailing Holy Mother Church, thereby weakening Christian values so as to allow the Mohammedan heathen to swarm all over the once-Christian Occident.
    Please ignore all that I have written regarding sedevacantism.


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    What event had the most negative effect on the Church?
    « Reply #17 on: June 05, 2012, 06:48:52 AM »
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  • The root cause of it all is Original Sin (along with Satan and our free-will).  Then the Schism of 1054 followed by the Great Western Schism which opened the door to Luther which is explained very well above.  Free-masonry was a HUGE factor in “destroying” the Church by systematically corrupting morals and dumbing us down enough for us not to realize what was going on when the anti-popes tried to impose heresy on the Catholic faithful through V2.   The termites weakened the structure.  But it was the man known as Paul 6 who took the actual hammer to the wall.  A fish rots from the top.  You want to know “what event” had the most negative effect on the Church.  Having a rotten head passing for a valid Pope doing what no valid Pope could do.  He taught that the Church of Christ and the Catholic Church are not one and the same.  He invalidated the Sacraments and destroyed the Mass.  

    The most negative effect on the Church was her virtual destruction and this was caused, directly, by Paul 6.  I am somewhat shocked that there is even a debate on the issue.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church