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Offline gladius_veritatis

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Re: What does Bishop Williamson say about the validity of Novus Ordo orders?
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2021, 08:01:12 AM »
Quote from: Matthew on January 24, 2021, 10:19:27 PM
If a priest -- or layman -- has a choice between "certain" and "doubtful", one is OBLIGATED to choose the "certain". It would be sinful to go with a doubtful matter, minister, etc. when a certain one was available.

A doubtful sacrament is no sacrament at all, regardless of having an additional "certain" option.  

It would be sinful to go with the doubtful under ANY circuŠ¼stances whatsoever.
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Re: What does Bishop Williamson say about the validity of Novus Ordo orders?
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2021, 08:05:50 AM »
Quote from: SimpleMan on January 25, 2021, 01:02:45 AM
I was able to find two issues, December 2005 and January 2006, where they assert that the new rites of episcopal consecration are valid.  Is this what you are referring to?

If the NO "sacraments" are valid -- and every single sedeplenist MUST believe this is the case for ALL of them -- THEY. GIVE. GRACE...and there is no real need for Traddieland to exist.

We ALL know -- when we're not doing endless mental gymnastics to justify the unjustifiable -- those "sacraments" are man-made trash and doubtful AT BEST.
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Re: What does Bishop Williamson say about the validity of Novus Ordo orders?
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2021, 08:14:59 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on January 25, 2021, 04:53:03 AM
Fr. Hesse is quoted as saying: "...I have been ordained, unfortunately in the New Rite of Ordination, but thank God in Latin, everything strictly by the book and +ABL said that would be valid, +Fellay said it's valid and Fr. Franz Schmidberger who is my present superior in Austria says it's valid and +Williamson said there's no need for conditional ordination...."

Oddly, the combined value of the opinions of ABL, Fellay and Schmidz (and Williamson or whoever else you want to insert/add here) is...ZERO.  

The only responsible thing to do (or to have done) is to conditionally re-ordain.  The stakes are WAY too high, both for the priests/bishops involved and ALL who approach them for the Sacraments. The safer course is obvious and must be (should have been) followed in order to remove all possible doubt.  
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Re: What does Bishop Williamson say about the validity of Novus Ordo orders?
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2021, 08:27:16 AM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on January 26, 2021, 03:38:07 PM
The bigger issue has always been the New Rite of Episcopal Consecration.

Who decides what issue is "bigger"? If there is ANY issue AT ALL with ANY of the "sacraments", the ENTIRE game is OVER.  As if it is acceptable to doubt the validity of Sacraments properly instituted by Holy Mother Church??!?!  What is Her raison d'etre if not the sanctification and salvation of souls, accomplished with the infallible, perfect, spotless and holy assistance of the Holy Ghost Himself??@?#!!!!

IF there is ANY doubt about ANY of the NO "sacraments" -- and such doubt is part of the very essence of ALL within Traddieland, regardless of their take on the most rotten men in history to claim the See of Peter -- the ONLY logical conclusion is that such must have NOT come from Our Mother but from an impostor.  Oddly enough, we all agree that it is incomprehensibly incongruous for Our Mother to savagely devour Her own children -- yet, that is exactly what has been happening day in, day out for more than 55 years, according to some.
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Re: What does Bishop Williamson say about the validity of Novus Ordo orders?
« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2021, 08:28:58 AM »
Quote from: gladius_veritatis on January 27, 2021, 08:27:16 AM
Who decides what issue is "bigger"? If there is ANY issue AT ALL with ANY of the "sacraments", the ENTIRE game is OVER.  As if it is acceptable to doubt the validity of Sacraments properly instituted by Holy Mother Church??!?!  What is Her raison d'etre if not the sanctification and salvation of souls, accomplished with the infallible, perfect, spotless and holy assistance of the Holy Ghost Himself??@?#!!!!
IF there is ANY doubt about ANY of the NO "sacraments" -- and such doubt is part of the very essence of ALL within Traddieland, regardless of their take on the most rotten men in history to claim the See of Peter -- the ONLY logical conclusion is that such must have NOT come from Our Mother but from an impostor.  Oddly enough, we all agree that it is incomprehensibly incongruous for Our Mother to savagely devour Her own children -- yet, that is exactly what has been happening day in, day out for more than 55 years, according to some.
Chill out Gladdy.  I was comparing the changes in the NREC to the New Rite of ordination.  Without valid bishops there are no valid priests.  Obviously, as a sede, I don't think any of these sacraments are certainly valid.

By the way, do you approach any of the traditional clergy's sacraments?
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