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Offline Pelele

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What do you call these people? Naturalists?
« on: December 08, 2013, 08:40:30 PM »
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  • Those novus ordo people who are only interested in "doing good" without any regard whatsoever to doctrine; who think that God only cares if you "love" and doesn't care about doctrine or laws at all; who only care if you have "peace" in you; who only care about "not judging anyone" and accept effeminates, sodomites, lesbians and all kinds of public sinners; those people who call you a "legalist" if you ever quote any Council, Pope, Saint, the Bible etc. against them; who claim to "love God" but don't care what religion anyone is so long as they "look like good people too and are nice" and those people who all they care about is "being nice" and to please everyone?

    Well, i know this represents 99% of the novus ordo people, and that this is just pure apostasy, but could it also be called naturalism?


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    What do you call these people? Naturalists?
    « Reply #1 on: December 09, 2013, 03:32:27 AM »
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  • Only if they wander around in the buff.


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    What do you call these people? Naturalists?
    « Reply #2 on: December 09, 2013, 04:28:36 AM »
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  • Quote from: Pelele
    Those novus ordo people who are only interested in "doing good" without any regard whatsoever to doctrine; who think that God only cares if you "love" and doesn't care about doctrine or laws at all; who only care if you have "peace" in you; who only care about "not judging anyone" and accept effeminates, sodomites, lesbians and all kinds of public sinners; those people who call you a "legalist" if you ever quote any Council, Pope, Saint, the Bible etc. against them; who claim to "love God" but don't care what religion anyone is so long as they "look like good people too and are nice" and those people who all they care about is "being nice" and to please everyone?

    Well, i know this represents 99% of the novus ordo people, and that this is just pure apostasy, but could it also be called naturalism?


    Naturalism, humanism, liberalism, atheism, rationalism and etc. ad nausem - it all falls under Modernism.  
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    What do you call these people? Naturalists?
    « Reply #3 on: December 09, 2013, 05:35:39 AM »
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  • Quote from: Pelele
    Those novus ordo people who are only interested in "doing good" without any regard whatsoever to doctrine; who think that God only cares if you "love" and doesn't care about doctrine or laws at all; who only care if you have "peace" in you; who only care about "not judging anyone" and accept effeminates, sodomites, lesbians and all kinds of public sinners; those people who call you a "legalist" if you ever quote any Council, Pope, Saint, the Bible etc. against them; who claim to "love God" but don't care what religion anyone is so long as they "look like good people too and are nice" and those people who all they care about is "being nice" and to please everyone?

    Well, i know this represents 99% of the novus ordo people, and that this is just pure apostasy, but could it also be called naturalism?


    So long as your zeal is tempered with prudence, there is a time to condemn and a time to be merciful to the sinner. This is why you see the Saints be so kind and yet at the same time most condemnatory. In general be slow to speak and quick to listen, this way you can be able to discern whatever the Lord puts in your lips to convert sinners to repentance.

    Some people have never been told they are going to Hell and that alone believe it or not actually makes them self-reflect, later to come back to ask more about the faith. Be silent and the spirit will guide you what to say when defending the Church against Heretics/schismatics wherever you might be. Remember it is the Lord that does the converting we are just like useless brooms that get in the way, more often then not.

    Yes very sad to see the spirit of the world in Catholics, there is no difference between them and worldly people. Only difference is one does not attend wannabe Catholic services and others don't attend worship "services" (like atheist/agnostics). Both of them if they do not repent will be to the left side of the Lord in the Day of Judgement, along with the goats.

    I will pray that your zeal help you discern a vocation (if you are already not married, but single of course) for the Good Lord, we need souls who desire heaven above all things and willing to be generous with their time/talents/treasure. Whatever you give up, the Lord will give back 100 or 1000 fold (all depending on your charity), now that is interest I can bank on  :cheers:.  :pray:
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    What do you call these people? Naturalists?
    « Reply #4 on: December 09, 2013, 05:39:55 AM »
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  • I propose to christen them "The New Pelagians".


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    What do you call these people? Naturalists?
    « Reply #5 on: December 09, 2013, 05:52:28 AM »
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  • I think that the Pelagian heresy describes their position more closely than any other. As Stubborn said, it is through the influence of Modernism that this heresy has become so widespread, but the definition of Modernism is, according to Pope Pius X, "the mixture of all heresies". The particular philosophy on life that you are describing, Pelele, is Pelagian.

    Here's a quote from the Danish philosopher Kierkegaard. He wasn't a Catholic (though he despised Protestantism all the same) but the man was far from being entirely rotten in his theology:

    Quote from: Kierkegaard
    Moreover, it is also in a sense quite certain that many a time a pagan is enabled in a way to slip through the world irreproachably precisely because his light-minded Pelagian interpretation saved him; but then his sin is a different one, namely, this light-minded interpretation.

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    What do you call these people? Naturalists?
    « Reply #6 on: December 09, 2013, 06:01:08 AM »
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  • Here are 6 doctrines that a friend of Pelagius formulated in order to summarize Pelagianism:

    Quote from: Catholic Encyclopedia, "Pelagius and Pelagianism"
    1. Even if Adam had not sinned, he would have died.
    2. Adam's sin harmed only himself, not the human race.
    3. Children just born are in the same state as Adam before his fall.
    4. The whole human race neither dies through Adam's sin or death, nor rises again through the resurrection of Christ.
    5. The (Mosaic Law) is as good a guide to heaven as the Gospel.
    6. Even before the advent of Christ there were men who were without sin.


    These doctrines lead straight to that relaxed, "feel good", nicey-nice way of life that has been described. St. Augustine himself combated the Pelagian heresy.