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Offline Emile

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Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2021, 05:37:54 PM »
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  • I've read three books on the apparition of Akita
                                                               


    If you don't mind, what books? I've read "Akita: The tears and message of Mary".
    If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?

    ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

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    Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
    « Reply #16 on: February 06, 2021, 05:55:42 PM »
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  • Umm? There is no paragraph above.
    On my screen, I see two paragraphs in my post.  Not on your screen?


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    Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
    « Reply #17 on: February 06, 2021, 06:19:33 PM »
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  • Growing up we believed the message of Our Lady of Akita. I was taught that it was essentially the third secret of Fatima. Now, I'm not sure if it's valid or not. What do you guys think?
    Whether a private revelation is or is not from heaven is the right and place of the True Catholic hierarchy to decide.  The fact that it is a post-Vatican II apparition means we can have no certainty about it.  There were many false apparitions even before Vatican II.  So, it would make more sense to avoid newer unaproved apparitions and stick with older approved ones.  With them we can have no doubt.
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    Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
    « Reply #18 on: February 06, 2021, 06:44:42 PM »
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  • Whether a private revelation is or is not from heaven is the right and place of the True Catholic hierarchy to decide.  The fact that it is a post-Vatican II apparition means we can have no certainty about it.  There were many false apparitions even before Vatican II.  So, it would make more sense to avoid newer unaproved apparitions and stick with older approved ones.  With them we can have no doubt.
    If the local Bishop gives approval, and if he's truly Catholic, you can trust it. Especially when it echos what Our Lady has already said.
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    Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
    « Reply #19 on: February 06, 2021, 07:04:15 PM »
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  • If the local Bishop gives approval, and if he's truly Catholic, you can trust it. Especially when it echos what Our Lady has already said.
    True...  But...  The Bishop who approved it was still in the novus ordo and after Vatican II.  Does that not raise questions as to whether he was truly Catholic and whether it was a fully valid approval of the True Church?

    Or should we believe as true everything a bishop in the novus ordo tells us?

    There are enough solid pre-Vatican II approved visions through the centuries that could better occupy our time.
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    Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
    « Reply #20 on: February 06, 2021, 07:23:34 PM »
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  • If the local Bishop gives approval, and if he's truly Catholic, you can trust it. Especially when it echos what Our Lady has already said.

    Yes, as you say, especially when it echoes what Our Lady has already said.

    And, I would add that it seems unlikely that a modernist or even lukewarm bishop would approve of what Our Lady of Akita actually said.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
    « Reply #21 on: February 07, 2021, 02:47:24 PM »
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  •  should we believe as true everything a bishop in the novus ordo tells us?

    Obviously not. Which is why I said "IF the bishop is truly Catholic."
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    Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
    « Reply #22 on: February 07, 2021, 02:59:11 PM »
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  • On my screen, I see two paragraphs in my post.  Not on your screen?
    Your one and only post before this one (#16) is #10.
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    Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
    « Reply #23 on: February 07, 2021, 03:35:43 PM »
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  • Your one and only post before this one (#16) is #10.
    She was referring to the first paragraph in the same post (#10).  That post has 2 paragraphs.

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    Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
    « Reply #24 on: February 07, 2021, 04:54:46 PM »
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  • Thanks, 2Vermont.
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    Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
    « Reply #25 on: February 07, 2021, 05:36:58 PM »
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  • I pay no attention to the post-Vatican 2 apparitions. An apparition is presumed to be false, according to Catholic principles, unless or until it receives approval from some Church authority. Since I do not think the post-Vatican 2 church can approve of any apparition, that leaves us with having to presume against it.
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    That being said, I don't know much about this apparition in particular, but doesn't it predict vast natural disasters that will kill millions of people? Don't you think if Our Lady came now that she would warn people against modernism? Of what use is it to warn people of earthquakes and floods, who don't even have the Faith to begin with? You need to start by telling them to reject the errors of the new church, especially the errors that make them comfortable in their sins.


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    Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
    « Reply #26 on: February 07, 2021, 06:06:39 PM »
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  • Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

    +RIP 2024

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    Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
    « Reply #27 on: February 07, 2021, 06:19:27 PM »
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  • One thing that troubles me about Akita is its connection to Our Lady of All Nations in Amsterdam (which was condemned).  

    There was a statue of OLoAN that: sweat from head to toe, wept 101 times, bled from its hand and face, and spoke to Sr Agnes.  

    Can an alleged apparition be true if it is connected to one that is condemned?

    What if a statue of Our Lady of Medjugorje began to weep?  Would it automatically discredit an alleged apparition?  

    Would you pray before it, or run away?


    TIA has a good article on OLoAN:

    https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/F079_Nations.htm

    So does Aleteia:

    https://aleteia.org/2020/10/20/vatican-reaffirms-rejection-of-so-called-apparitions-of-our-lady-of-all-nations/
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    Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
    « Reply #28 on: February 07, 2021, 07:42:37 PM »
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  • One thing that troubles me about Akita is its connection to Our Lady of All Nations in Amsterdam (which was condemned).  

    There was a statue of OLoAN that: sweat from head to toe, wept 101 times, bled from its hand and face, and spoke to Sr Agnes.  

    Can an alleged apparition be true if it is connected to one that is condemned?

    What if a statue of Our Lady of Medjugorje began to weep?  Would it automatically discredit an alleged apparition?  

    Would you pray before it, or run away?


    TIA has a good article on OLoAN:

    https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/F079_Nations.htm

    So does Aleteia:

    https://aleteia.org/2020/10/20/vatican-reaffirms-rejection-of-so-called-apparitions-of-our-lady-of-all-nations/


    Good point.

    I've read of the OLoAn connection and believe Ida Peerdeman was Maranno infiltrator/fraud who attempted to attack the Blessed Virgin Mary.
    This was a post WWII zionist anti-Catholic psy-ops, in my opinion.

    "Our Lady of all nations who once was called Mary"

    But, I think the Akita connection was limited and not of bad intention. 
    The Mother Superior of the Sisters of the Holy Eucharist commissioned the artist to make the wooden statue of OLoAn after she recovered from a serious illness.
    It's doubtful that she understood Peereman's true heretical agenda.

    I think the Blessed Virgin's Akita apparition was in spite of OLoAn.  
    If you read through the sequence of events and the messages of Our Lady of Akita, I don't think you see any references to OLoAn.

    Secondly, I'm familiar with Medjugorje and am highly critical of it.  E. Michael Jones claims a jew is running the whole operation.
    However, I have a personal experience where I returned to the Faith, based on a prayer intention I wrote down to Our Lady of Medjugorje.
    I was coming back to the Faith at the time and a relative encouraged me to do it.  I was unaware of the dangers of Medjugorje.

    But as I said above, the Virgin answered my prayers, dramatically, in spite of the Medjugorje fraud. 

    IMHO, Our Lady sweeps away the frauds with her hand and focuses on the intentions for the individual soul.

    Our Lady of Akita, pray for us!

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    Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
    « Reply #29 on: February 12, 2021, 01:45:08 AM »
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  • There's enough authenticating details around Akita to consider it worthy of belief.

    First, go to Akita. There's pretty much nothing there. I don't mean it's rural (it is), I mean, there's *zero* acknowledgement of what went on there. No mention. No nothing. That the NO Church hasn't called attention to it and built a heretical "church" or shrine there (take a look at what's built at Fatima for pilgrims to see what I'm talking about) and you can't find mention at Akita of one of a handful of Marian Apparitions deemed worthy of belief is ... interesting

    It's clear that whomever would make such a decision (cough cough) prefers Akita stay in obscurity rather than collect that sweet pilgrim luchre

    There's also interesting coincidences surrounding Akita itself, and Akita fits into the strange intertwinement of all the other Apparition coincidences, almost like we're being told something else I've never understood.

    First, the obvious that isn't lost on anyone is that the third Apparition of Our Lady at Akita was on October 13. This is a harrowing message delivered on that date, at least as disturbing as the Third Secret of Fatima.

    Secondly, as had already been mentioned, sister Agnes received an additional message just last year. This, in unprecedented times, pretty much said what we're all seeing.

    Third, Agnes herself, in addition to having grown up infirm, was immobile for like a decade in her youth, and was healed by the waters of *Lourdes* before becoming a religious.

    Agnes was deaf. It's interesting that Knock (1879) was the *silent* Apparition. Knock is 54 days before Oct 13. Almost like you have an opportunity to do a 54 day rosary leading to Oct 13.

    Interesting thing about that 54 day rosary, we have widespread acknowledgement of the 54 day rosary due to little Fortuna Agrelli, who saw Our Lady of Pompeii in 1884, 33 years before Fatima.

    In 2017, 100 years after Fatima, there was a quite large, quite popular solar eclipse on the anniversary of Knock. Knock, the muted (silent) apparition, for some reason mutes the sun itself on the centennial of Fatima, the same Fatima that brought us the Miracle of the Sun.

    Second reminder that Knock's anniversary is 54 days before Oct 13. 54 days to pray a rosary perhaps, as we learned from a child 33 years before Our Lady visited *children* at Fatima.

    33 years before Knock was Our Lady of La Salette, who visited *children* and warned us of attacks on the Church (side note, also encouraged having an image of Joseph as the universal protector of the Church for the coming attacks on the Church, and corruption of the clergy)

    Our Lady spent the 19th century visiting children after She was essentially ignored in 1830 by ecclesiastical authorities telling St Catherine Labouré to basically "pipe down" and forget about it. Our Lady didn't visit another religious after that, just children and young single laity (Our Lady of Zion, Our Lady of Good Help/Wisconsin, and Our Lady of Pellvoisin), those apparaitions to adult laity themselves weirdly being exactly 17 years apart from each other, whatever that's about.

    Not more appearing to religious or laity for Our Lady after St Catherine Labouré for over a century until....Sr Agnes at Akita

    On Oct 13 (think Fatima) Sr Agnes has a horrific vision, the third such vision of the end of the world. The year: 1979, the centennial of Knock.

    So, on the anniversary of Knock during the Fatima centennial, an epic eclipse (muting of the Sun where Fatima is known for the miracle of the Sun), so...what happened on the Knock Centennial on Sept 22, exactly 54 days before Sr Agnes had her horrible vision of fire falling from the sky?
    The Vela incident. What's the Vela incident you say? Well, it was a huge double flash of light in the sky that pretty much got the entire world's attention, especially since pretty much all the authorities agreed it was nuclear.

    The Vela incident is widely believed to be when Israel successfully tested nuclear weapons.

    So yeah, Akita fits right into the web of coincidences between the various apparaitions of Our Lady.