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Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
« Reply #45 on: February 24, 2021, 02:17:36 PM »
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  • I've looked into this apparition, and found it worthy of belief. Consonant with other approved Marian apparitions.

    The only reason a bitter Trad would reject it -- Sister Sasagawa was in a Novus Ordo convent. Nevermind the fact the convent started receiving Communion on the tongue as a direct result of Sister Sasagawa and this apparition -- it bore GOOD FRUIT, as it were -- just saying -- but for some bitter Trads, anything less than fire and brimstone as punishment for attending the Novus Ordo is out of the question. No mercy, just hatred and justice.

    For some bitter Trads, every single person who attends the Novus Ordo is malicious, of bad will, and in a state of Mortal sin.

    In case you can't guess, I DO NOT consider myself among those bitter Trads.

    Souls in the Novus Ordo, especially those of good will, have souls to save too. Jesus died for them as well, and He doesn't want to see them perish any more than the rest of humanity.

    Some in the Novus Ordo have lost the Faith completely. They are there only for the heresy, and only *tolerate* the Catholic elements at best. Others are the complete reverse: they are there for the Catholic Faith, wanting to be part of the Church founded by Jesus Christ, and only *tolerate* the abuses, sentimentality, bad sermons, defects, etc. It would be completely foolishness to claim that these two groups are the same in God's eyes.

    I think some Trads are so bitter and angry about being deceived (usually they spent time in the Novus Ordo themselves), that they hate the Novus Ordo and everyone in it.

    Perhaps I should be grateful that I don't have such baggage -- and therefore I can take a more balanced, Catholic, and charitable position on the Novus Ordo/Conciliar Church.
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    Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
    « Reply #46 on: February 24, 2021, 03:06:31 PM »
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  • I was lead into the Novus Ordo in 1960; I was twenty years old and bewildered as to why I heard something strange each week when I attended "Mass."  One week we were all scolded for using our Missals; the priest actually said, "Do you think I am going to forget something, the way you follow along so closely." 

    We were also told not to be surprised if we would hear that Jesus Christ was not Divine.  Those words came out of a visiting priest, and you should have seen the crowd that surrounded him after Mass. 


    I remember one Sunday. I noticed no one was genuflecting anymore at the tabernacle at the center of the altar.  I looked up and said to myself, (where is the tabernacle?)
      
    Like a good Catholic, I kept on going to "Mass" each Sunday; after Mass, I came home and complained to my non-Catholic husband.  Needless to say, he is the one who found the Traditional Mass for me.  Is it any wonder he died a Traditional Catholic years later?


    No, I don't condemn the NO souls who attend, as I stated in my previous post earlier this morning. I do notice here; some bitter, hateful persons think nothing of condemning those who left the NO to embrace the sedevacantist position. 
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    Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
    « Reply #47 on: February 24, 2021, 03:23:28 PM »
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  • With all due respect to His Excellency, he also believed that the visions of Dawn Marie were genuine ... as well as Garabandal.  His Excellency seems to really be inclined to believe private revelation.
    Yes.  For some reason, some trads are drawn to these types of revelations...approved or not. 

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    Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
    « Reply #48 on: February 25, 2021, 04:49:13 AM »
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  • I've looked into this apparition, and found it worthy of belief. Consonant with other approved Marian apparitions.

    The only reason a bitter Trad would reject it -- Sister Sasagawa was in a Novus Ordo convent. Nevermind the fact the convent started receiving Communion on the tongue as a direct result of Sister Sasagawa and this apparition -- it bore GOOD FRUIT, as it were -- just saying -- but for some bitter Trads, anything less than fire and brimstone as punishment for attending the Novus Ordo is out of the question. No mercy, just hatred and justice.

    For some bitter Trads, every single person who attends the Novus Ordo is malicious, of bad will, and in a state of Mortal sin.
    There are plenty of Trad nuns.  Why does Our Lady not appear to one of them?

    That way we would know it was true.

    I think it is perfectly reasonable to doubt that Our Lady would appear to a novus ordo nun, if the novus ordo is "a bastard rite" that deliberately weakens the faith of Catholics (we know with human certainty it does that).

    In addition the statue that is claimed to have wept miraculously at Akita is that of Our Lady of All Nations which is objectively speaking wrong on many points.  Here is one of those many points.
    “THE LADY OF ALL NATIONS ARE THE LAST AND FINAL APPARITIONS OF OUR MOTHER TO THE NATIONS OF THIS WORLD.” (http://www.ladyofallnations.org)

    To believe that these were "the last and final apparitions" of Mary to the world, one would have disbelieve the apparitions of Mary at Akita. Therefore, the claim that the apparitions to Ida Peerdeman are the last and final are false if Akita is true.

    So Mary would either be making a statue of a false apparition weep miraculously, or, they are both false.

    They cannot both be true.

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    Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
    « Reply #49 on: February 25, 2021, 05:32:52 AM »
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  • It strikes me as a bit random.  Why have fire dropping from the sky?  That is just going to kill people randomly without sparing the good ones.  The survivors will be just as perverted, corrupt, stupid and godless as they were before.  There will just be less people.

      
    We have God’s promise that He will not again inundate the earth with water. After the flood there were just eight people. Life went on for those eight.

    Presumably He will use fire.

    Our Lady of Akita, Japan (1973) - The Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment graver than the Deluge, one such as has never been seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity. 
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

    +RIP 2024


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    Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
    « Reply #50 on: February 25, 2021, 06:01:53 AM »
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  • There are plenty of Trad nuns.  Why does Our Lady not appear to one of them?

    That way we would know it was true.

    I think it is perfectly reasonable to doubt that Our Lady would appear to a novus ordo nun, if the novus ordo is "a bastard rite" that deliberately weakens the faith of Catholics (we know with human certainty it does that).

    In addition the statue that is claimed to have wept miraculously at Akita is that of Our Lady of All Nations which is objectively speaking wrong on many points.  Here is one of those many points.
    “THE LADY OF ALL NATIONS ARE THE LAST AND FINAL APPARITIONS OF OUR MOTHER TO THE NATIONS OF THIS WORLD.” (http://www.ladyofallnations.org)

    To believe that these were "the last and final apparitions" of Mary to the world, one would have disbelieve the apparitions of Mary at Akita. Therefore, the claim that the apparitions to Ida Peerdeman are the last and final are false if Akita is true.

    So Mary would either be making a statue of a false apparition weep miraculously, or, they are both false.

    They cannot both be true.
    Well, you must be bitter.  😉

    I look at post Vatican II apparitions the same way I look at post Vatican II docuмents, catechisms, books, etc.  

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    Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
    « Reply #51 on: February 25, 2021, 06:19:12 AM »
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  • We have God’s promise that He will not again inundate the earth with water. After the flood there were just eight people. Life went on for those eight.

    Presumably He will use fire.

    Or disease, or a vaccine created by Godless men that goes wrong, or air, or earthquakes, or famine, or the climate goes wrong and we enter a new ice age, or Islam or China rises and oppresses the west for 500 years turning us into commie slaves, or we are invaded by aliens.
    If you are dead what does it matter what killed you?
    If you are alive, what does it matter what killed 99% of humans?
    All a bit academic HOW it happens.  Who cares?  Nobody is standing there thinking, "I am sure happy that God did not use water again.  What a blessing!"
    How long do these prophecies get to be validated?  If in the year 2875 there is a fiery meteor that destroys Luxembourg and Belgium is Akita true?
    If the Sun has a CME burst in 2145 and the electronics are all fried and people starve in large numbers, does that count?  Is that fire falling from the sky or the grid failing and people dying from the collapse of a complex economic chain?
    Given a long enough wait, almost any prophecy sufficiently vague can be fulfilled.  For the "seer" it is a one way bet if they don't make statements that are too specific or have a timeline attached.

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    Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
    « Reply #52 on: February 25, 2021, 06:38:36 AM »
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  • There are plenty of Trad nuns.  Why does Our Lady not appear to one of them?

    That way we would know it was true.

    I think it is perfectly reasonable to doubt that Our Lady would appear to a novus ordo nun, if the novus ordo is "a bastard rite" that deliberately weakens the faith of Catholics (we know with human certainty it does that).

    In addition the statue that is claimed to have wept miraculously at Akita is that of Our Lady of All Nations which is objectively speaking wrong on many points.  Here is one of those many points.
    “THE LADY OF ALL NATIONS ARE THE LAST AND FINAL APPARITIONS OF OUR MOTHER TO THE NATIONS OF THIS WORLD.” (http://www.ladyofallnations.org)

    To believe that these were "the last and final apparitions" of Mary to the world, one would have disbelieve the apparitions of Mary at Akita. Therefore, the claim that the apparitions to Ida Peerdeman are the last and final are false if Akita is true.

    So Mary would either be making a statue of a false apparition weep miraculously, or, they are both false.

    They cannot both be true.

    I think Ida was a post WWII zionist marrano, but that her apparition schtik can be disassociated from Our Lady of Akita.

    Wherein did Our Lady of Akita mention any “Ida talk” such as I am Our Lady of All Nations
    (which she is, by the way)?

    No, Japan has the Catholic heritage, which the devil heavily persecuted. 

    They are so fallen away, so materialistic, yet they could have been one of the greatest Catholic countries in the world, simply for the graces they received of understanding a natural order, a hierarchy of God’s world.

    Our Lady of Akita intervened for Japan and so too, to Asia, to give them a wake-up call.

    I will be changing my daily Rosary intentions to a penitential one, as Our Lady of Akita advised.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
    « Reply #53 on: February 25, 2021, 07:11:12 AM »
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  • Are you suggesting that in that convent the only statue of Our Lady they had was one of a false vision?

    Yet that statue was chosen to weep miraculous tears?

    I am sure there were other statues, or God's providence could have seen to it that a statue of Our Lady of Fatima made it to Japan by 1973.

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    Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
    « Reply #54 on: February 25, 2021, 07:25:33 AM »
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  • Quote
    Presumably He will use fire.

    The much prophesized comet..
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    Or disease, or a ναccιnє created by Godless men that goes wrong, or air, or earthquakes, or famine, or the climate goes wrong and we enter a new ice age, or Islam or ƈhıną rises and oppresses the west for 500 years turning us into commie slaves, or we are invaded by aliens.

    Putting aside aliens, all the other calamities you mention will happen (per prophecy) before the comet comes...

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    Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
    « Reply #55 on: February 25, 2021, 03:35:56 PM »
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  • I think Ida was a post WWII zionist marrano, but that her apparition schtik can be disassociated from Our Lady of Akita.

    Wherein did Our Lady of Akita mention any “Ida talk” such as I am Our Lady of All Nations
    (which she is, by the way)?

    No, Japan has the Catholic heritage, which the devil heavily persecuted.

    They are so fallen away, so materialistic, yet they could have been one of the greatest Catholic countries in the world, simply for the graces they received of understanding a natural order, a hierarchy of God’s world.

    Our Lady of Akita intervened for Japan and so too, to Asia, to give them a wake-up call.

    I will be changing my daily Rosary intentions to a penitential one, as Our Lady of Akita advised.

    Well said, Incred.

    I, too, will be changing my Rosary intentions to a penitential one (or rather to include a penitential one), for the reason you cited above.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
    « Reply #56 on: February 28, 2021, 11:17:36 AM »
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  • I will be changing my daily Rosary intentions to a penitential one, as Our Lady of Akita advised.

    Meg-

    "Well said, Incred.

    I, too, will be changing my Rosary intentions to a penitential one (or rather to include a penitential one), for the reason you cited above."
    I was curious what a "penitential Rosary" is:

    https://archive.org/details/penitentialrosary/page/n15/mode/2up

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar%C3%ADa_Concepci%C3%B3n_of_the_Nativity_and_the_Perpetual_Help_of_Mary

    Anyone know more about this?
    If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?

    ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

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    Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
    « Reply #57 on: March 12, 2021, 02:34:09 AM »
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  • How can it be a punishment GREATER than the deluge? 

    The Flood of Noah only left 8 people alive. 

    Unless the world lasts another 2000 years it would never recover to fulfill the prophecy in Revaluation, where you need to have people around for battles and other aspects.

    If billion people survive the fire falling from the sky then it was not greater than the deluge.

    If some random nun is going to claim such a future event then I want some proof like a clear miracle before I will believe it.  The weeping statue (of a false vision) does not do it for me. 

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    Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
    « Reply #58 on: March 12, 2021, 05:40:54 AM »
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  • How can it be a punishment GREATER than the deluge?

    The Flood of Noah only left 8 people alive.

    Unless the world lasts another 2000 years it would never recover to fulfill the prophecy in Revaluation, where you need to have people around for battles and other aspects.

    If billion people survive the fire falling from the sky then it was not greater than the deluge.

    If some random nun is going to claim such a future event then I want some proof like a clear miracle before I will believe it.  The weeping statue (of a false vision) does not do it for me.
    Your reading comprehension is lacking.
    Our Lady of Akita, said in Japan in 1973, “ The Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment graver than the Deluge, one such as has never been seen before. 
    You even capitalised the word GREATER!

    You are letting you imagination run away with you. Why not stick with the storyline. 

    Sister Sasagawa is not “some random nun”.  It seems rather than being what you call “random” she is specifically chosen for a special mission by none other that Our Lord and His Blessed Mother. So you don’t buy it? I am not greatly attracted to weeping statues myself, but who am I (and who are you) to decide the best ways to get through to a faithless people?

    There is no necessity to speculate on 
    ... disease, or a ναccιnє created by Godless men that goes wrong, or air, or earthquakes, or famine, or the climate goes wrong and we enter a new ice age, or Islam or ƈhıną rises and oppresses the west for 500 years turning us into commie slaves, or we are invaded by aliens.
    If you are dead what does it matter what killed you?
    If you are alive, what does it matter what killed 99% of humans?
    All a bit academic HOW it happens.  Who cares?  

    Why would there be 99% of mankind killed. Where did that figure come from?
    All those catastrophes you list may befall us, but we do know, according to Our Lady at Akita, and St Peter in 2nd epistle that God will use fire.
    [6] Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished. [7] But the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of the ungodly men. [8] But of this one thing be not ignorant, my beloved, that one day with the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. [9] The Lord delayeth not his promise, as some imagine, but dealeth patiently for your sake, not willing that any should perish, but that all should return to penance. [10] But the day of the Lord shall come as a thief, in which the heavens shall pass away with great violence, and the elements shall be melted with heat, and the earth and the works which are in it, shall be burnt up.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

    +RIP 2024

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    Re: What do traditional Catholics think of Our Lady of Akita?
    « Reply #59 on: March 31, 2021, 04:07:11 PM »
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  • If thousands or millions of people are left alive then it is not graver than the deluge.

    The deluge only left Noah and his family.  Hard to be graver than that.