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What do they use in the Novus Ordo seminaries?
« on: August 08, 2016, 10:56:27 PM »
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  • Does anyone know if they use any of the pre-V2 manuals? Did they totally abandon the old dogmatic and moral theology manuals, for example?


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    What do they use in the Novus Ordo seminaries?
    « Reply #1 on: August 08, 2016, 11:06:22 PM »
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  • I would bet a hundred dollars that they do not use the old manuals. They changed everything else, so why wouldn't they change that also? Maybe the FSSP seminary uses the old manuals, but I would be shocked if any of the normal diocesan "pink" seminaries used the old manuals.
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    What do they use in the Novus Ordo seminaries?
    « Reply #2 on: August 08, 2016, 11:17:17 PM »
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    Does anyone know if they use any of the pre-V2 manuals? Did they totally abandon the old dogmatic and moral theology manuals, for example?


    There are some NO dioceses that are incredibly conservative - Lincoln, NE under Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz, for example. Still is. Those likely would still use the pre-V2 manuals. Others are not and likely wouldn't.
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    What do they use in the Novus Ordo seminaries?
    « Reply #3 on: August 09, 2016, 09:31:41 AM »
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  • Cannot remember where I saw this. I believe it must be true.
    JPII in a letter to the heads of the seminaries ordered the destruction
    of all pre Vatican 2 manuals and theology books.

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    « Reply #4 on: August 09, 2016, 10:23:35 AM »
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    Cannot remember where I saw this. I believe it must be true.
    JPII in a letter to the heads of the seminaries ordered the destruction
    of all pre Vatican 2 manuals and theology books.


    Actually, the crooks had already phased out almost entirely all the pre-V2 text books, some during and most of the rest asap after the council, by about 1968/1969, you'd be lucky to find a seminary, Catholic university or school that still had any.

     
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    What do they use in the Novus Ordo seminaries?
    « Reply #5 on: August 09, 2016, 10:34:44 AM »
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    Cannot remember where I saw this. I believe it must be true.
    JPII in a letter to the heads of the seminaries ordered the destruction
    of all pre Vatican 2 manuals and theology books.


    Actually, the crooks had already phased out almost entirely all the pre-V2 text books, some during and most of the rest asap after the council, by about 1968/1969, you'd be lucky to find a seminary, Catholic university or school that still had any.

     


    There are those whom do not want the destruction of books in the library.
    The majority of novus ordro seminarians have long since been condition
    against the previous ways.  JPII letter was to make sure that there would
    be no revival of the pre-vatican II practices and all memory must be
    wiped out with the coming generations.

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    « Reply #6 on: August 09, 2016, 12:44:49 PM »
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    Cannot remember where I saw this. I believe it must be true.
    JPII in a letter to the heads of the seminaries ordered the destruction
    of all pre Vatican 2 manuals and theology books.


    Actually, the crooks had already phased out almost entirely all the pre-V2 text books, some during and most of the rest asap after the council, by about 1968/1969, you'd be lucky to find a seminary, Catholic university or school that still had any.

     


    There are those whom do not want the destruction of books in the library.
    The majority of novus ordro seminarians have long since been condition
    against the previous ways.  JPII letter was to make sure that there would
    be no revival of the pre-vatican II practices and all memory must be
    wiped out with the coming generations.


    Issuing an order to remove/destroy all pre-Vatican II theology manuals in Novus Ordo seminaries sounds more like something Paul VI would do.  If you want to search for someone giving that kind of order, look under the authorship of Paul VI.  

    JPII was more a synthesist.  He would blend traditional appearances with modernist beliefs and pass it off as a middle way.  JPII was a team builder who tried to stem the damage done by Paul VI.  

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    « Reply #7 on: August 09, 2016, 12:53:25 PM »
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  • I know that we acquired dozens and dozens of boxes full of old Catholic books, everything you can think of from seminary theology manuals and workbooks to  encyclopedias to children's books to books that were hundreds of years old to a dozen different catechisms and everything in between  - we even got a Latin Vulgate Bible from 1492 that they were just throwing out.

    This revolution did their level best to eradicate every traditional teaching and replace it 4 times over with the new crap. I would be surprised if there was a Modernist seminary or university anywhere in the world that still has some pre-V2 text books.      
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    « Reply #8 on: August 09, 2016, 12:54:29 PM »
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  • Novus Ordo seminaries have their books, medical and even churches paid for by the federal.  Catholic Extension grants.

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    « Reply #9 on: August 09, 2016, 12:58:44 PM »
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    I know that we acquired dozens and dozens of boxes full of old Catholic books, everything you can think of from seminary theology manuals and workbooks to  encyclopedias to children's books to books that were hundreds of years old to a dozen different catechisms and everything in between  - we even got a Latin Vulgate Bible from 1492 that they were just throwing out.

    This revolution did their level best to eradicate every traditional teaching and replace it 4 times over with the new crap. I would be surprised if there was a Modernist seminary or university anywhere in the world that still has some pre-V2 text books.      

    1492?

    That is cool.

    Yeah novus ordo ditches St Thomas aquinas and replaces it with Scott Hahn.
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    « Reply #10 on: August 09, 2016, 02:46:49 PM »
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    I know that we acquired dozens and dozens of boxes full of old Catholic books, everything you can think of from seminary theology manuals and workbooks to  encyclopedias to children's books to books that were hundreds of years old to a dozen different catechisms and everything in between  - we even got a Latin Vulgate Bible from 1492 that they were just throwing out.

    This revolution did their level best to eradicate every traditional teaching and replace it 4 times over with the new crap. I would be surprised if there was a Modernist seminary or university anywhere in the world that still has some pre-V2 text books.      


    You hit the jackpot with that find.  Did the discarders of Catholic treasures have them in a box on the curb or in a dumpster or did you buy them at great discount at a fire sale?


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    « Reply #11 on: August 09, 2016, 06:26:02 PM »
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  • I remember when I lived in Washington, DC in the 1960's many pre-Vatican
    books ended up at the Goodwill and other junk stores. They came from
    convents, monasteries and priories around Catholic University and Georgetown
    areas. I purchased as many as I could.
    I remember an oil painted picture of a Bishop from the 19th Century in
    which I regretted that I did not purchase.
    I am surprised that this would happen in DC because the ordinary of the
    Archdiocese was Cardinal Patrick O'Boyle, who was a strict Conservative.
    What I seen of novus ordo seminaries is that they teach future priests
    to become an Elvis Presley Superstar.

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    « Reply #12 on: August 09, 2016, 06:36:44 PM »
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  • My dad and uncle worked on the grounds of "Victory Noll", in Huntington,IN founded by Bishop Noll, who founded Our Sunday Visitor.  The grounds were to teach missionary nuns.  In the 60's they threw out books and statues which our families took in.  Right now my cousin harbors books in her attic.  She fell away from the church.  I can't get her to get the books.  I even offered to pay for the removal and it sits of death ears.

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    « Reply #13 on: August 10, 2016, 04:41:44 AM »
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    I know that we acquired dozens and dozens of boxes full of old Catholic books, everything you can think of from seminary theology manuals and workbooks to  encyclopedias to children's books to books that were hundreds of years old to a dozen different catechisms and everything in between  - we even got a Latin Vulgate Bible from 1492 that they were just throwing out.

    This revolution did their level best to eradicate every traditional teaching and replace it 4 times over with the new crap. I would be surprised if there was a Modernist seminary or university anywhere in the world that still has some pre-V2 text books.      


    You hit the jackpot with that find.  Did the discarders of Catholic treasures have them in a box on the curb or in a dumpster or did you buy them at great discount at a fire sale?


    That was one that stood out because it was the oldest book I've ever actually seen and held in my hands. It is only readable if you know Latin, the chapters and verses are not numbered, so you'd probably need to be a real scholar to read it at all.

    I'm pretty sure that particular bible was given to us by one of the priests that was evicted from his rectory, overall it was in amazing condition. As I recall, it was in a box he brought that had other books with it, along with some candles and oils and altar cloths etc..

    We had so many books from the 1800s and early 1900s, I can't even remember 1/10 of it. If I had to guess, I'd say we must have accuмulated 2000 books at least. We gave probably 90% of everything away to other families, independent priests, even gave a lot of it to the SSPX when they were just getting going.  

    Some of the pre-V2 books came from dumpsters, more accurate to say they were saved from the dumpsters. Not only books, we had beautiful altar missals, altar cards, hymnals, chalices, vestments, cruits, patens, relics, statues, pictures, beautiful shiny candelabras, monstrances, and on and on  - you name it, they (churches, schools, seminaries, etc.) were throwing it away. I remember at least a few times my folks pulling in the driveway in the station wagon and the back bumper scraped the cement it was so loaded down with books and stuff they had gotten with permission or from one of the rectories.

    Interesting to note that a few priests had us destroy an awful lot of those books that were from the 1900s. As an 11 or 12 year old in the early 70s, I remember spending many hours (against my will lol) ripping up a few hundred old books one by one and burning them in the incinerator. Thinking about it now, those priests must have come to a rude awakening of the errors those books contained that helped lead to the crisis.

    Anyway, I would be very surprised if there is any NO seminary out there that has any good pre-V2 study materials at all.  

     
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    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse