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What Do The Apostates Know Of Prophecy?
« on: May 09, 2025, 07:10:02 PM »
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  • This is something I can't wrap my head around regarding all the VII papal claimants.  
    Let's say you're John XXIII, Pius VI, JPII, Francis, or the newly minted Leo XIV and it's your first week as pope. 
    You open up the drawer of your regal desk, take out the envelope containing
    the 3rd secret of Fatima, read it, and think...hey I'm one of the main guys
    alluded to in this prophecy direct from the Mother of GOD. 
    I would think a rational person would then come to the following conclusions:
    A. The seers would have had no way of knowing what events would unfold,
    that I have helped to orchestrate unless by supernatural means. 
    B. Therefore God must exist and a horrible 
    judgement awaits me unless I repent.

    Instead they double down on their plans to destroy the Church.

    Now none of these men could claim ignorance of Biblical prophecy, not to mention
    they probably have access to other writings regarding the end times within the 
    vast Vatican archives. They would also know of the plot to replace Sister Lucia, which
    means they were trying to suppress the truth. 

    Does it make any sense to damn oneself in order to obtain some brief worldly status in a church
    you hate?




      

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    Re: What Do The Apostates Know Of Prophecy?
    « Reply #1 on: May 09, 2025, 07:54:39 PM »
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  • This is something I can't wrap my head around regarding all the VII papal claimants. 
    Let's say you're John XXIII, Pius VI, JPII, Francis, or the newly minted Leo XIV and it's your first week as pope.
    You open up the drawer of your regal desk, take out the envelope containing
    the 3rd secret of Fatima, read it, and think...hey I'm one of the main guys
    alluded to in this prophecy direct from the Mother of GOD.
    I would think a rational person would then come to the following conclusions:
    A. The seers would have had no way of knowing what events would unfold,
    that I have helped to orchestrate unless by supernatural means.
    B. Therefore God must exist and a horrible
    judgement awaits me unless I repent.

    Instead they double down on their plans to destroy the Church.

    Now none of these men could claim ignorance of Biblical prophecy, not to mention
    they probably have access to other writings regarding the end times within the
    vast Vatican archives. They would also know of the plot to replace Sister Lucia, which
    means they were trying to suppress the truth.

    Does it make any sense to damn oneself in order to obtain some brief worldly status in a church
    you hate?




     
    They probably don't believe in the supernatural or if they do, they attribute the visions of Fatima to the devil, which is what Judas thought of the miracles of Our Lord that he witnessed.

    That shouldn't be surprising if one considers that Satan possessed no less than the Beatific Vision and still decided to rebel against It.
    "Blessed is the simplicity which leaveth alone the difficult paths of questionings, and followeth the plain and firm steps of God’s commandments." - The Imitation of Christ

    "If Jesus was baptized with water to fulfill all justice, how shall we have justice fulfilled in us without Baptism of Water?" - Fr. Leonard Feeney, Bread of Life. 


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    Re: What Do The Apostates Know Of Prophecy?
    « Reply #2 on: May 09, 2025, 08:33:54 PM »
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  • As I've mentioned, there are two basic paradigms regarding the Conciliar Revolution.

    1) that this was a natural progression where over time more and more hierarchs became infected with varying degrees of Modernism ... until we got to V2, and now this point

    2) Church was infiltrated by deliberate, conscious destroyers who were on a mission to destroy the Church.

    While there was certainly a blend of the two, #2 was the primary impetus for what happened ... that this was a deliberate enemy action and that the "Popes" were all agents of the destruction.  Enemy Agent Infiltrators spearheaded the attack, but the others in category #1 came along for the ride as useful idiots.

    Consequently, the already knew that they were the villains in the Third Secret.

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    Re: What Do The Apostates Know Of Prophecy?
    « Reply #3 on: May 10, 2025, 10:46:24 AM »
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  • That shouldn't be surprising if one considers that Satan possessed no less than the Beatific Vision and still decided to rebel against It.

    No, he did not.  None of the angels could see God in the face until after their trial. Those who failed the test went to hell; those who passed were united to God forevermore.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Re: What Do The Apostates Know Of Prophecy?
    « Reply #4 on: May 10, 2025, 10:59:31 AM »
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  • They probably don't believe in the supernatural or if they do, they attribute the visions of Fatima to the devil, which is what Judas thought of the miracles of Our Lord that he witnessed.

    That shouldn't be surprising if one considers that Satan possessed no less than the Beatific Vision and still decided to rebel against It.

    Wrong, and wrong.

    The Angels were tested before they were admitted to the presence of God. No one "turns their nose up" at the infinite Goodness of the Beatific Vision. Metaphysically impossible. I'd use an analogy, but there are no analogies on earth that would work. On earth, people can turn down a $500 billion fortune with land, power, and beautiful women and choose to go live in the woods instead like a wild man -- it's free will. You can choose this lesser good over that greater good over there. But no one can turn down *infinite* Good.

    And future (or hidden) infinite Good doesn't count -- how many non-saints are there on earth? I'm talking about the Beatific Vision, when you can SEE God.

    Secondly, there is no indication Judas thought Our Lord was working miracles by satanic power. You are confusing "Judas" with "Judaei" or The Jews. The Jews openly accused Our Lord of this. Judas, on the other hand, knew Our Lord had power, and assumed that He would "get Himself out" of the arrest using his power. Actually, Our Lord had escaped arrest and/or death many times before "His time had come" on Holy Thursday. Judas hoped to make a quick buck. He had the vice of avarice, the vice of theft, he obviously wasn't right with God, and didn't repent of his sin (which placed him in stark contrast with Peter and the other Apostles, who also abandoned Jesus). But he never gave any indication he thought Our Lord was in league with the devil.
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    Re: What Do The Apostates Know Of Prophecy?
    « Reply #5 on: May 10, 2025, 11:02:02 AM »
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  • This is something I can't wrap my head around regarding all the VII papal claimants. 
    Let's say you're John XXIII, Pius VI, JPII, Francis, or the newly minted Leo XIV and it's your first week as pope.
    You open up the drawer of your regal desk, take out the envelope containing
    the 3rd secret of Fatima, read it, and think...hey I'm one of the main guys
    alluded to in this prophecy direct from the Mother of GOD.
    I would think a rational person would then come to the following conclusions:
    A. The seers would have had no way of knowing what events would unfold,
    that I have helped to orchestrate unless by supernatural means.
    B. Therefore God must exist and a horrible
    judgement awaits me unless I repent.

    Instead they double down on their plans to destroy the Church.

    Now none of these men could claim ignorance of Biblical prophecy, not to mention
    they probably have access to other writings regarding the end times within the
    vast Vatican archives. They would also know of the plot to replace Sister Lucia, which
    means they were trying to suppress the truth.

    Does it make any sense to damn oneself in order to obtain some brief worldly status in a church
    you hate?


    Those God engages to punish or destroy, He first "afflicts" with blindness. By removing the grace of seeing such things. There are many instances of WOEFUL blindness by those who hardened their hearts against God, against the Truth, and rejected God's grace ONE TOO MANY TIMES.

    Look at the Jews at the time of Our Lord. "What do we, for this man doth many miracles? If we leave him alone so..."
    It never once entered into their minds or hearts "Maybe we should drop the crap, and follow Him, since He is obviously the One True God..." No, they were far gone, suffering spiritual blindness, and their punishment had basically begun. They had filled up the measure of God's wrath.

    God's grace is freely given. He doesn't owe it to ANY of us. He can cut us off WITH FULL JUSTICE *at any time*.
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    Re: What Do The Apostates Know Of Prophecy?
    « Reply #6 on: May 10, 2025, 11:08:17 AM »
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  • I should also point out -- there is no FASTER path to apostasy and loss of faith, OR spiritual blindness, than IMPURITY. I'm talking about sins against the Sixth and Ninth.

    Impurity leads to worse depravity, going ever deeper into sin. No other type of sin has as many chains, or is harder to extricate oneself from, as the sin of impurity. And no other sin SO BLINDS its victim, as impurity.

    I could give countless examples. My own cousin, who grew up attending the same Trad chapel, learning Catechism from Thomas A. Nelson himself, served Mass with me countless times -- he apostatized. I later learned from his MySpace page that he had lost his purity at 16. He never told me, though we were decently close friends as well as cousins. But eventually (especially after learning his fall into impurity) it made sense. He even said to the world that his main reason for leaving was "Catholicism was just too hard". Everything else was window dressing, cope, etc. He tried repeated blasphemy to deaden his conscience, but I also saw him rejecting (quite forcefully) the suggestion of some to become Protestant. Apparently the Catechism was too deep in his bones; he still knew Protestantism was silly and could never accept it. So, he became a statistic, and went from Catholic to "nothing". As an aside, he also believed in Theistic evolution.

    And then the book "The Sinners Return to God", the chapter on impurity. There was a man who was willing to give up ALL HIS OTHER SINS, he had a priest at his deathbed entreating him to give up all his sins INCLUDING HIS CONCUBINE but in his final moments on earth, with his last breath, he embraced his concubine and died in a state of mortal sin. Horrible! That story stuck with me.

    Last but greatest, Our Lady herself said that "more sins go to hell from sins of the flesh than any other". I believe it.
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    Re: What Do The Apostates Know Of Prophecy?
    « Reply #7 on: May 10, 2025, 11:58:55 AM »
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  • 100% that for human beings at least, impurity is always the first step.  Witness Luther.  That is precisely why most Catholics leave to become Prots.  They'll beat their Bibles about the Catholic Church being a harlot, a pagan religion, yada yada, and ex Catholics are often the most rabid Prots.  But I've called them out a few times on various forums with a line of questioning like this ...

    "So, let me guess.  You're either divorced and remarried or else shacked up or otherwise involved in impurity that you don't want to give up, or else you just didn't want to confess to a priest.  Without giving any details, keeping in mind that lying is a sin ... tell me I'm wrong."

    I've never had any of them tell me I was wrong or deny the allegation.  All this BS about how they read their Bible and "saw the light" ... realizing that Catholicims had corrupted the Bible, it's all hogwash.  Nobody leaves the Church for Protism due to straight "theological" reasons.  They come up with that junk after the fact in order to rationalize it.


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    Re: What Do The Apostates Know Of Prophecy?
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    "Blessed is the simplicity which leaveth alone the difficult paths of questionings, and followeth the plain and firm steps of God’s commandments." - The Imitation of Christ

    "If Jesus was baptized with water to fulfill all justice, how shall we have justice fulfilled in us without Baptism of Water?" - Fr. Leonard Feeney, Bread of Life. 

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    Re: What Do The Apostates Know Of Prophecy?
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  • "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Re: What Do The Apostates Know Of Prophecy?
    « Reply #11 on: May 10, 2025, 05:18:36 PM »
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  • Perhaps I could have made my question a bit clearer.
    As with any revolution there are always the idealists, fellow travelers, useful idiots, and spiteful mutants.
    These bad actors usually fill the ranks of teachers and university professors, agitators, journalists, NGO functionaries,
    and influencers within the arts or entertainment industry.
    Most of them have no clue about the occult origins and agenda of the social/religious/political revolutions they are so ardently devoted to. 
    I am specifically interested in the thinking of those in the upper most echelons, the ones who have controlled the Vatican since John XXIII. They are theists in the sense that they must perceive some spiritual force, be it Lucifer or
    Baphomet, that is equal to or more powerful than Christ. Why else would they think it was within their power
    to somehow thwart his Church? 
    It has been said that the devil is cruel even to his own, therefore these deceivers have been deceived themselves
    at some point, to think they are going to be on the winning side of this cosmic struggle between good and evil. 
    I just can't understand what they have been privy to that would convince them of such folly and throw their lot in with Satan.