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What Do The Apostates Know Of Prophecy?
« on: May 09, 2025, 07:10:02 PM »
This is something I can't wrap my head around regarding all the VII papal claimants.  
Let's say you're John XXIII, Pius VI, JPII, Francis, or the newly minted Leo XIV and it's your first week as pope. 
You open up the drawer of your regal desk, take out the envelope containing
the 3rd secret of Fatima, read it, and think...hey I'm one of the main guys
alluded to in this prophecy direct from the Mother of GOD. 
I would think a rational person would then come to the following conclusions:
A. The seers would have had no way of knowing what events would unfold,
that I have helped to orchestrate unless by supernatural means. 
B. Therefore God must exist and a horrible 
judgement awaits me unless I repent.

Instead they double down on their plans to destroy the Church.

Now none of these men could claim ignorance of Biblical prophecy, not to mention
they probably have access to other writings regarding the end times within the 
vast Vatican archives. They would also know of the plot to replace Sister Lucia, which
means they were trying to suppress the truth. 

Does it make any sense to damn oneself in order to obtain some brief worldly status in a church
you hate?




  

Re: What Do The Apostates Know Of Prophecy?
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2025, 07:54:39 PM »
This is something I can't wrap my head around regarding all the VII papal claimants. 
Let's say you're John XXIII, Pius VI, JPII, Francis, or the newly minted Leo XIV and it's your first week as pope.
You open up the drawer of your regal desk, take out the envelope containing
the 3rd secret of Fatima, read it, and think...hey I'm one of the main guys
alluded to in this prophecy direct from the Mother of GOD.
I would think a rational person would then come to the following conclusions:
A. The seers would have had no way of knowing what events would unfold,
that I have helped to orchestrate unless by supernatural means.
B. Therefore God must exist and a horrible
judgement awaits me unless I repent.

Instead they double down on their plans to destroy the Church.

Now none of these men could claim ignorance of Biblical prophecy, not to mention
they probably have access to other writings regarding the end times within the
vast Vatican archives. They would also know of the plot to replace Sister Lucia, which
means they were trying to suppress the truth.

Does it make any sense to damn oneself in order to obtain some brief worldly status in a church
you hate?




 
They probably don't believe in the supernatural or if they do, they attribute the visions of Fatima to the devil, which is what Judas thought of the miracles of Our Lord that he witnessed.

That shouldn't be surprising if one considers that Satan possessed no less than the Beatific Vision and still decided to rebel against It.


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: What Do The Apostates Know Of Prophecy?
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2025, 08:33:54 PM »
As I've mentioned, there are two basic paradigms regarding the Conciliar Revolution.

1) that this was a natural progression where over time more and more hierarchs became infected with varying degrees of Modernism ... until we got to V2, and now this point

2) Church was infiltrated by deliberate, conscious destroyers who were on a mission to destroy the Church.

While there was certainly a blend of the two, #2 was the primary impetus for what happened ... that this was a deliberate enemy action and that the "Popes" were all agents of the destruction.  Enemy Agent Infiltrators spearheaded the attack, but the others in category #1 came along for the ride as useful idiots.

Consequently, the already knew that they were the villains in the Third Secret.

Offline gladius_veritatis

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Re: What Do The Apostates Know Of Prophecy?
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2025, 10:46:24 AM »
That shouldn't be surprising if one considers that Satan possessed no less than the Beatific Vision and still decided to rebel against It.

No, he did not.  None of the angels could see God in the face until after their trial. Those who failed the test went to hell; those who passed were united to God forevermore.

Offline Matthew

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Re: What Do The Apostates Know Of Prophecy?
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2025, 10:59:31 AM »
They probably don't believe in the supernatural or if they do, they attribute the visions of Fatima to the devil, which is what Judas thought of the miracles of Our Lord that he witnessed.

That shouldn't be surprising if one considers that Satan possessed no less than the Beatific Vision and still decided to rebel against It.

Wrong, and wrong.

The Angels were tested before they were admitted to the presence of God. No one "turns their nose up" at the infinite Goodness of the Beatific Vision. Metaphysically impossible. I'd use an analogy, but there are no analogies on earth that would work. On earth, people can turn down a $500 billion fortune with land, power, and beautiful women and choose to go live in the woods instead like a wild man -- it's free will. You can choose this lesser good over that greater good over there. But no one can turn down *infinite* Good.

And future (or hidden) infinite Good doesn't count -- how many non-saints are there on earth? I'm talking about the Beatific Vision, when you can SEE God.

Secondly, there is no indication Judas thought Our Lord was working miracles by satanic power. You are confusing "Judas" with "Judaei" or The Jews. The Jews openly accused Our Lord of this. Judas, on the other hand, knew Our Lord had power, and assumed that He would "get Himself out" of the arrest using his power. Actually, Our Lord had escaped arrest and/or death many times before "His time had come" on Holy Thursday. Judas hoped to make a quick buck. He had the vice of avarice, the vice of theft, he obviously wasn't right with God, and didn't repent of his sin (which placed him in stark contrast with Peter and the other Apostles, who also abandoned Jesus). But he never gave any indication he thought Our Lord was in league with the devil.