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Offline twiceborn

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What did Pope Benedict XVI mean?
« on: September 23, 2011, 08:47:21 AM »
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  • From Pope Benedict XVI's address to the representatives of the Jєωιѕн Community in Berlin we find these troubling words:

    The message of hope contained in the books of the Hebrew Bible and the Christian Old Testament has been appropriated and continued in different ways by Jєωs and Christians. “After centuries of antagonism, we now see it as our task to bring these two ways of rereading the biblical texts – the Christian way and the Jєωιѕн way – into dialogue with one another, if we are to understand God’s will and his word aright” (Jesus of Nazareth. Part Two: From the Entrance into Jerusalem to the Resurrection, pp. 33f.).





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    What did Pope Benedict XVI mean?
    « Reply #1 on: September 23, 2011, 10:24:38 AM »
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  • Meaningless ecuмenical garbeldy gook.


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    What did Pope Benedict XVI mean?
    « Reply #2 on: September 23, 2011, 07:19:20 PM »
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  • He meant the Jєωs do not need Christ, as we understand him. Their vision of a Messiah is a legitimate interpretation.

    Just his same old heresy again...
    'Take care not to resemble the multitude whose knowledge of God's will only condemns them to more severe punishment.'

    -St. John of Avila

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    What did Pope Benedict XVI mean?
    « Reply #3 on: September 23, 2011, 07:42:17 PM »
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  • Anyone else still cringe when they see the title of Holy Father or Pope in front of Benedict XVI?

    Everyone mocks the sedes using quotes with anything "Pope" related to these recent antipopes, but I can tolerate that more.

    Better yet, not even write their names anywhere or use actual names like Joseph Ratzinger or Karol Wojtyla.

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    What did Pope Benedict XVI mean?
    « Reply #4 on: September 23, 2011, 09:19:18 PM »
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  • What Benedict XVI means is that the "Christian way" and "Jєωιѕн ways" of reading the Bible are valid ways of reading the Bible. A Jєω could read the Bible and say that it does not unequivocally point to Christ whereas a Christian could read it and say the opposite and both ways of reading the text would be true. That is what he means.

    For those who I have unjustly offended, please forgive me. Please disregard my posts where I lacked charity and you will see that I am actually a very nice person. Disregard my opinions on "NFP", "Baptism of Desire/Blood" and the changes made to the sacra


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    What did Pope Benedict XVI mean?
    « Reply #5 on: September 25, 2011, 08:49:00 PM »
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  • Quote from: daegus
    both ways of reading the text would be true.


    How can the number 1 be "1" and "NOT 1" at the same time?

    The Jєω who does not have his spiritual eyes opened by God the Holy Spirit so that he can see Christ revealed in the Scriptures is as in the dark as a blind man at midnight. Ditto for anyone else on earth.

    The absolute garbage of 'Jєωs can read their half of Sacred Scripture, repudiate Christ and refuse to acknowledge Him and still be right with God' is not only sickening, it is infuriating.

    "Whosoever denies Me before men, the same will I deny before My Father."

    Sound familiar?

    Acknowledge Christ --> Join His Church --> Receive His Sacraments --> persevere in faith --> die in grace --> receive eternal life.

    DENY Christ --> do whatever else you want --> die a 'good person', yet still an infidel --> SPEND AN ETERNITY IN HELL.

    Plain and simple, and not a single other source but Sacred Scripture is needed to make the case.

    Add the testimony of the Magisterium of the Holy Roman Catholic Church, and the case is doubly closed.

    All the modernist/liberal ecuмenical whining from these heretics notwithstanding, those who do not profess Christ and flee to the security of His Church are in danger of Hell.
    This evil of heresy spreads itself. The doctrines of godliness are overturned; the rules of the Church are in confusion; the ambition of the unprincipled seizes upon places of authority; and the chief seat [the Papacy] is now openly proposed as a rewar

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    What did Pope Benedict XVI mean?
    « Reply #6 on: September 26, 2011, 12:42:51 AM »
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  • I keep seeing and hearing the word, "dialogue". Honestly, it makes me cringe. Not really sure why. Maybe it's that the Church is to proclaim the gospel. I don't know.

    I've seen it alot on CAF and heard it quite a bit on ewtn and the catholic satellite radio programs. Dialogue. I don't think that's a word that the Church should be using. Not sure why, other than it seems really out of place when I hear it.

    Dialogue. It really seems more like a word which belongs to the political arena. I seem to hear it an awful lot from the lips of politicians. Seems strange to see it coming from a Pope, imo.
    Your first aim is not to fight against error but to know the truth.

    Ours is a supernatural fight against the spiritual powers of the devil and of the fallen angels. It is a battle of giants, and not just a matter of discussions and intellectual jousts.

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    What did Pope Benedict XVI mean?
    « Reply #7 on: September 26, 2011, 01:04:52 AM »
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  • Benedict XVI, God and the World, 2000, p. 209:

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    It is of course possible to read the Old Testament so that it is not directed toward Christ; it does not point quite unequivocally to Christ.  And if Jєωs cannot see the promises as being fulfilled in him, this is not just ill will on their part, but genuinely because of the obscurity of the texts…  There are perfectly good reasons, then, for denying that the Old Testament refers to Christ and for saying, No, that is not what he said.  And there are also good reasons for referring it to him – that is what the dispute between Jєωs and Christians is about.”


    2 Corinthians 3:12-16

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    Having therefore such hope, we use much confidence: And not as Moses put a veil upon his face, that the children of Israel might not steadfastly look on the face of that which is made void. But their senses were made dull. For, until this present day, the selfsame veil, in the reading of the old testament, remaineth not taken away (because in Christ it is made void). But even until this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their heart.

    But when they shall be converted to the Lord, the veil shall be taken away.


    Haydock Commentary:

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    Ver. 14-15. But the senses and minds of the Jєωs have been dulled, hardened, and blinded, so that to this day we may say the veil remains over their eyes and minds, and hearts; that is, the greatest part of them understand not Moses' books, prophecies, and those things that were figures of Christ. But they shall understand them, and the veil shall be taken off, when they shall be converted before the end of the world. (Witham)


    Ratzinger is full of it.
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.


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    What did Pope Benedict XVI mean?
    « Reply #8 on: September 26, 2011, 06:05:32 AM »
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  • The Christian religion has to be purged of anything that is offensive to the 'Jєωιѕн community' and JR has this as one of his main aims in life. I am sure more than anything else, Bp. Fellay will be required to follow suit. He is going that way .....

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    What did Pope Benedict XVI mean?
    « Reply #9 on: September 26, 2011, 07:00:52 AM »
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  • Quote from: Daegus
    What Benedict XVI means is that the "Christian way" and "Jєωιѕн ways" of reading the Bible are valid ways of reading the Bible. A Jєω could read the Bible and say that it does not unequivocally point to Christ whereas a Christian could read it and say the opposite and both ways of reading the text would be true. That is what he means.



    Of course, you're absolutely right.  This is precisely what Benedict 16 was saying.  The fact that it contradicts both scripture and Catholic doctrine is just further evidence that Benedict 16 is not a Catholic.  He is just another figurehead of one of thousands of Protestant sects that have split from the Catholic Church and from each other over doctrinal issues during the preceding generations.

    The teachings of Christ (that is, of the Catholic Church) are indeed "hard".  The fact that Benedict has left and walks with Him no more is truly sad.