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What did Fr. Gruner think of Francis
« on: April 29, 2018, 11:57:08 AM »
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  • We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


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    Re: What did Fr. Gruner think of Francis
    « Reply #1 on: April 29, 2018, 01:14:14 PM »
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  • Did Fr. Gruner ever state his belief or non-belief in the conventional 6 million gas chamber "h0Ɩ0cαųst" narrative?

    Did he ever take a public position on who planned, executed, and covered up 9-11?


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    Re: What did Fr. Gruner think of Francis
    « Reply #3 on: April 29, 2018, 06:29:26 PM »
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  • Did Fr. Gruner state his position publicly on whether he believed in baptism of desire?

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: What did Fr. Gruner think of Francis
    « Reply #4 on: April 29, 2018, 09:15:38 PM »
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  • Did Fr. Gruner ever state his belief or non-belief in the conventional 6 million gas chamber "h0Ɩ0cαųst" narrative?

    Did he ever take a public position on who planned, executed, and covered up 9-11?

    Did Fr. Gruner state his position publicly on whether he believed in baptism of desire?

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    Fr.  Gruner was not concerned with tangential issues.
    His life's work was the complete and accurate message of Fatima.
    He was not eager to divert attention from his life work by distractions like you have mentioned here.
    He was personally present at lower Manhattan on Sept. 12th and later to do what a priest does: Extreme Unction.
    So he acted as a priest but regarding controversies, he only dealt with one, Fatima.
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    I asked him in person one time what he thought about the baptism of extraterrestrials when that was in the news.
    He had no reply. And he forthwith sought the conversation of others when there were plenty to choose from.
    He wasn't being rude. I knew him well enough to get the message: He was not interested in distractions.
    The more an independent priest gets caught up with diversionary topics the more trouble it can cause him.
    Look what happened to Bishop Williamson when he weighed in on the h0Ɩ0h0αx.
    Did that do his episcopacy any positive good?
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    Should Catholic priests go around preaching their theories about who killed JFK?
    He was a Catholic president, you know. So far, the only one we've had.
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    There's a new book out that delves into the history behind the Titanic and the Olympia.
    It proposes that the nameplates were switched along with the lifeboats and life jackets.
    So effectively, the one that sank was the Olympia (renamed "Titanic").
    And the Titanic (renamed "Olympia") went on through the war and made profitable runs into the late 1930's.
    Then it was scrapped and all evidence destroyed, one of the major cover-ups in modern history, effectively.
    Should priests be discussing this with their flock?
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: What did Fr. Gruner think of Francis
    « Reply #5 on: April 29, 2018, 09:43:09 PM »
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    One might ask, in the (second) Vimeo above why then did Fr. Gruner go into the resignation of Benedict XVI?
    Notice he tied it in with the Third Secret of Fatima.
    So he was concerned with the identity of the Pope --
    -- But he was willing to speak about it only in context of the Message of Fatima.
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    He had to face these distractions every day.
    It seems to me he had to fight them daily so as to remain focused and devoted the the Message of Fatima.
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    Furthermore, pay close attention to his explanation of the prayers in the Mass.
    Notice he does not specifically say which name he inserts in the Canon, Francis or Benedict!
    All he says about it is that he must say only ONE name, and cannot say TWO names.
    And that this has been Catholic Tradition "since day one," since Apostolic times.
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    Re: What did Fr. Gruner think of Francis
    « Reply #6 on: April 30, 2018, 01:34:02 PM »
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    Fr.  Gruner was not concerned with tangential issues.
    His life's work was the complete and accurate message of Fatima.
    He was not eager to divert attention from his life work by distractions like you have mentioned here.
    He was personally present at lower Manhattan on Sept. 12th and later to do what a priest does: Extreme Unction.
    So he acted as a priest but regarding controversies, he only dealt with one, Fatima.
    .
    I asked him in person one time what he thought about the baptism of extraterrestrials when that was in the news.
    He had no reply. And he forthwith sought the conversation of others when there were plenty to choose from.
    He wasn't being rude. I knew him well enough to get the message: He was not interested in distractions.
    The more an independent priest gets caught up with diversionary topics the more trouble it can cause him.
    Look what happened to Bishop Williamson when he weighed in on the h0Ɩ0h0αx.
    Did that do his episcopacy any positive good?
    .
    Should Catholic priests go around preaching their theories about who killed JFK?
    He was a Catholic president, you know. So far, the only one we've had.
    .
    There's a new book out that delves into the history behind the Titanic and the Olympia.
    It proposes that the nameplates were switched along with the lifeboats and life jackets.
    So effectively, the one that sank was the Olympia (renamed "Titanic").
    And the Titanic (renamed "Olympia") went on through the war and made profitable runs into the late 1930's.
    Then it was scrapped and all evidence destroyed, one of the major cover-ups in modern history, effectively.
    Should priests be discussing this with their flock?
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    Thanks for your input Neil, but with all due respect I must beg to differ to some degree.  In that regard let me play the devil's advocate -- especially for any rush to canonization which some followers of Fr. Gruner might hope for.

    First of all, Fr. Gruner without any doubt whatsoever did a lot of good.  He introduced many souls to the Fatima message with all that it entails.  He also distributed much pious material including countless brown scapulars.  He also established and helped to maintain an orphanage in India.
    I take issue with the contention that, "Fr.  Gruner was not concerned with tangential issues  and that "regarding controversies, he only dealt with one, Fatima."  That simply was not the case.  One need only look through back issues of The Catholic Family News as well as The Fatima Crusader to know that was not the case. 

    Fr. Gruner had visited the Diamond Boys' Most Holy Family Monastery a number of times.  After 14 years in residence there John Venarri made his break and went to work for Fr. Gruner heading up the CFN where all kinds of stories were printed that had nothing whatsoever to do with Fatima.

    As for The Fatima Crusader one can easily observe all the fear mongering over the years with Russia constantly being painted as the big boogeyman who was going to nuke the world (or at least the U.jS.A. to smithereens if we didn't hurry up and get the pope to consecrate Russia.  That may certainly one day happen, but the fear mongering against Russia (and the Muslims after 9-11) was a constant never ending theme.  There was in fact reporting in The Fatima Crusader which gave clear credence to the insane/ridiculous official U.S. government narrative that 9-11 was carried out by Osama bin Laden and 19 Muslim hijackers.  Toby Westerman, a neocon, was a regular featured reporter of articles in The Fatima Crusader.  (He also posted regularly on traditioninaction.com that website which favors per-emptive wars and trashes the Catholic Church's Just War Doctrine in the process.)

    On the other hand there was never any negative reporting about the Jєωs or Israel; no condemnation whatsoever of the Israeli genocide of the Palestinians.

    There was absolutely no reporting on the lying h0Ɩ0h0αx fraud which was and is much more than just a huge Shoah business international extortion racket.  It was and is in fact the centerpiece of diabolical h0Ɩ0cαųstianity, the false theological replacement for the true Theology of Calvary.
     
    Neil, you state: "Look what happened to Bishop Williamson when he weighed in on the h0Ɩ0h0αx. Did that do his episcopacy any positive good?"  I would respond by saying, "Look what happened to Jesus Christ when he weighed in on the fraudulent hoax of the corrupted Jєωιѕн religion the pharisees and scribes were foisting on the Jєωιѕн Nation.  Did that do His life any good?"  Bp. Williamson was calumniated to no end and suffered other persecution for answering a question honestly and forthrightly in speaking truth to power.   Christ, of course, gave up His very life as a result of His speaking truth to power.

    In passing it might be mentioned that Fr. Charles Coughlin spoke out in such a way as to try to keep us out of World War II.  He was silenced. Cardinal Jozsef Mindszenty spoke up about communism and he was silenced by Paul VI.  Bp. Williamson has spoken out in such a way as to try to keep us out of a World War III by among other things exposing the true perpetrators of 9-11.  He was silenced, but not so successfully as happened to Fr. Coughlin and Cardinal Mindszenty.

    Let us take a quick review of some of Fr. Gruner's actions and ask ourselves if they were so prudent before we rush to criticize  Bp. Williamson for speaking the truth about the h0Ɩ0h0αx.

    -----Fr. Gruner touted the false stigmatist Brother (later Father) Gino (see for example: http://www.fatima.org/crusader/cr24/cr24pg28.asp )
    The book Fatima Priest which the Fatima Center via the direction of Fr. Gruner had printed up and distributed zillions of copies over the years even carries a photograph of Fr. Gruner with Gino with the caption, "Brother Gino dubbed him [seminarian Gruner] 'Doctor.'" (See this linked article for a quick review of the supposed stigmatist Gino: http://www.unitypublishing.com/Apparitions/GinoDetails.htm)

    -----Fr. Gruner touted the supposed visionary Josyp Terelyla.  Terelya was a very strong advocate of and many times visitor to Medjugorje.

    -----Fr. Gruner touted the African self proclaimed exorcist and "faith healer" Archbishop Mililngo, the same individual who ran off and got married to a Korean woman young enough to be his daughter in a mariage ceremony conducted by Sun Myung Moon, the leader of the Unification Church.  Milingo went on to consecrate four married men as bishops.

    -----Fr. Gruner gave credence to the blatantly false Lady of Bayside by speaking at least once at one of the Lady of Bayside rallies.

    -----Fr. Gruner spoke in such a way as to give credence to the bizarre apparitions of Garabandal.

    -----Fr. Gruner never publicly questioned the truth of whether or not the Sister Lucy who died on February 13, 2005 really was the true Sister Lucia.  His silence in this regard gave credence to the Vatican's narrative that this Sr. Lucia was the real deal, something that is in fact highly questionable.

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    Re: What did Fr. Gruner think of Francis
    « Reply #7 on: May 03, 2018, 10:35:21 PM »
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  • Why are you doing this? Lodge brothers on Jarvis St?


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    Re: What did Fr. Gruner think of Francis
    « Reply #8 on: May 03, 2018, 11:30:54 PM »
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  • Why are you doing this? Lodge brothers on Jarvis St?
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    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    Re: What did Fr. Gruner think of Francis
    « Reply #9 on: May 04, 2018, 03:17:23 AM »
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    In passing it might be mentioned that Fr. Charles Coughlin spoke out in such a way as to try to keep us out of World War II.  He was silenced. Cardinal Jozsef Mindszenty spoke up about communism and he was silenced by Paul VI.  Bp. Williamson has spoken out in such a way as to try to keep us out of a World War III by among other things exposing the true perpetrators of 9-11.  He was silenced, but not so successfully as happened to Fr. Coughlin and Cardinal Mindszenty.
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    The Vatican did their level best to silence Fr. Gruner too, you know. He didn't cave to their trickery.
    They tried to pull the same stunts on him that had worked decades before on Fr. Feeney.
    I knew several prominent Novus Ordo regulars who denounced him as a "disobedient priest" and "without incardination." 
    He had to fight these smears for years.
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    Re: What did Fr. Gruner think of Francis
    « Reply #10 on: May 04, 2018, 11:23:20 AM »
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    In passing it might be mentioned that Fr. Charles Coughlin spoke out in such a way as to try to keep us out of World War II.  He was silenced. Cardinal Jozsef Mindszenty spoke up about communism and he was silenced by Paul VI.  Bp. Williamson has spoken out in such a way as to try to keep us out of a World War III by among other things exposing the true perpetrators of 9-11.  He was silenced, but not so successfully as happened to Fr. Coughlin and Cardinal Mindszenty.
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    The Vatican did their level best to silence Fr. Gruner too, you know. He didn't cave to their trickery.
    They tried to pull the same stunts on him that had worked decades before on Fr. Feeney.
    I knew several prominent Novus Ordo regulars who denounced him as a "disobedient priest" and "without incardination."
    He had to fight these smears for years.
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    Good points Neil.  I agree.  He put major full page ads in the newspapers of Rome and did other things besides to rightly denounce his persecution by the Roman authorities and to expose the Vatican' s wrongful actions and or lack of actions concerning Fatima.  Bp. Williamson courageously supported Fr. Gruner.


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    Re: What did Fr. Gruner think of Francis
    « Reply #11 on: May 04, 2018, 04:30:16 PM »
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  • Fr. Gruner most likely realized that Francis was the fulfillment of the Fatima secret in its darkest sense up to that time. With Francis's coming Fr. sensed, I believe, realized that the Church was well on its way to joining the world and a world government.