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Re: We’re Headed for the Catacombs
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2020, 10:27:49 AM »
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  • We’re Headed for the Catacombs

    https://www.crisismagazine.com/2020/were-headed-for-the-catacombs?mc_cid=057b3404e8&mc_eid=72ec12853e
    Some might argue we're already there, at least halfway. Look at the COVID restrictions. Some places had to stop announcing public Masses, but having them all the same, talking to people directly.
    Sounds like catacombs to me!
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    Re: We’re Headed for the Catacombs
    « Reply #2 on: November 10, 2020, 11:10:51 AM »
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  • 'We"? I doubt that anyone from Lutheran-turned-neo-com Fr. Neuhaus's rag is heading for the catacombs. Those Crisis magazine neo-cons are headed for earthly ascendency.

    It is we Catholics who are in the catacombs, not the damned (((neo-cons))).

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    Re: We’re Headed for the Catacombs
    « Reply #3 on: November 11, 2020, 09:27:12 PM »
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  • 'We"? I doubt that anyone from Lutheran-turned-neo-com Fr. Neuhaus's rag is heading for the catacombs. Those Crisis magazine neo-cons are headed for earthly ascendency.

    It is we Catholics who are in the catacombs, not the damned (((neo-cons))).
    Richard John Neuhaus  founded First Things but I didn't think he had anything to do with Crisis other than write several things for them. 

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    Re: We’re Headed for the Catacombs
    « Reply #4 on: November 11, 2020, 09:49:59 PM »
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  • Orthodox Catholicism has been in the catecombs since the 70s, after V2.  We've had to buy our own chapels, create our own schools and train our own priests.  Sure, it can get worse compared to NOW (because we've been blessed) but when compared to the 70s, it won't be too much different.
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    On a positive note, as the world govts get ever more atheist and anti-catholic, then I see the Church returning from this crisis, to offset the evil of the world.  When one reads Scripture, it is inevitable that a rise in evil will be rebuked by a rise in good.  God will not leave us as orphans and will send us true catholicism to overcome the rise of satanism.


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    Re: We’re Headed for the Catacombs
    « Reply #5 on: November 11, 2020, 10:35:39 PM »
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  • Richard John Neuhaus  founded First Things but I didn't think he had anything to do with Crisis other than write several things for them.
    I may have misremembered regarding Neuhaus in Dr. E. Michael Jones exposé of Crisis, so am open to correction if you have evidence he was not one of the founders. Perhaps you will forgive me if I don't unpack my crates of Culture Wars searching for the details.

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    Re: We’re Headed for the Catacombs
    « Reply #6 on: November 12, 2020, 09:06:08 AM »
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  • When one reads Scripture, it is inevitable that a rise in evil will be rebuked by a rise in good.  God will not leave us as orphans and will send us true catholicism to overcome the rise of satanism.

    But even then, individual men will have to DESIRE, SEEK OUT and EMBRACE the truth, and the sweet yoke of the Gospel. The Gospel puts restrictions on our selfish wills -- and men have to accept and want that.

    Let's face it -- the SSPX (specifically before 2012), the Resistance (which is basically the SSPX after 2012), and other Traditional groups haven't exactly been sending people away. Chapel membership hasn't been frozen, as in "no new parishioners welcome". If people wanted "true Catholicism", it was pretty much theirs for the taking. The majority of men simply DIDN'T WANT IT for whatever reason.

    And I'll grant that Tradition was pretty small in the 1970s or 1980s. But since the Internet, it's pretty hard to claim ignorance in 2020 that there are "serious hardcore Catholics" out there who do all the hard Catholic stuff, and have that "Latin Mass" thingy. It's just that most people aren't interested in that hardcore or serious of a religion. They instinctively know what thing(s) they would have to give up, and so their response is no thanks with a forced laugh added for emphasis. No birth control, for example -- that sends a huge % of the world away. No divorce. No meat on Friday. And the list goes on.

    It's not God's fault that 100 million, or even 200 million Americans don't attend Tridentine Mass, Traditional chapels every Sunday.
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    Re: We’re Headed for the Catacombs
    « Reply #7 on: November 12, 2020, 10:49:35 AM »
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  • …individual men will have to DESIRE, SEEK OUT and EMBRACE the truth….

    And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying: That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity. 2 Thessalonians 10-11

    Best indeed to seek and love the Truth.


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    Re: We’re Headed for the Catacombs
    « Reply #8 on: November 12, 2020, 08:01:53 PM »
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  • We’re Headed for the Catacombs

    https://www.crisismagazine.com/2020/were-headed-for-the-catacombs?mc_cid=057b3404e8&mc_eid=72ec12853e
    Deal Hudson was editor and publisher of Crisis magazine way back, until he got busted having an affair with an 18 year old student when he was a professor at Fordham. He's kind of disappeared since then