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Well-placed rumor: Excomm to be lifted!
« on: January 21, 2009, 08:29:06 PM »
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  • There are some exciting rumors circulating tonight. This is from the well-connected Rorate Caeli Blog

    UPDATE (2248 GMT). Italian religious journalist Andrea Tornielli has just confirmed in his blog the increasing reports: the Pope has already signed the withdrawal of excommunications, and his act will be made public in the next few days.

    Tornielli's post:

        The decree in which Benedict XVI decided to cancel the excommunication of the four new Bishops consecrated by Archbishop Lefebvre in 1988 will be made public in the next few days. Now, other than the four (Bernard Fellay, Alfonso de Gallareta [sic - Galarreta], [Bernard] Tissier de Mallerais, and Richard Williamson), Lefebvre himself and the Brazilian Bishop [Antonio] de Castro Mayer who participateed at the ceremony, had been excommunicated.

        In that occasion, after having been near reconciling with the Holy See (and after having dealt with then-Cardinal Ratzinger and having signed a protocol of intentions), Archbishop Lefebvre abruptly decided for the rupture and, by consecrating four of his young priests Bishops, accomplished a schismatic act [sic], justified by him due to the necessity of allowing his Fraternity of Saint Pius X to survive. Now, with a truly magnanimous gesture, receiving the request proposed by Fellay, Benedict XVI has decided to remove the excommunication. An excommunication which, it should be noticed, has always and exclusively applied only to the consecrating Bishops (Lefebvre and de Castro Mayer, both deceased for a long time) and the four consecrated Bishops, but not the priests or the faithful

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    « Reply #1 on: January 21, 2009, 09:38:50 PM »
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  • How will lifting the excommunications of the four bishops change the SSPX's policy towards modernist Rome?

    Things will go on as they've been going on for the last 40 years.
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.


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    Well-placed rumor: Excomm to be lifted!
    « Reply #2 on: January 22, 2009, 12:12:52 PM »
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  • We are not to have anything to do with people who speak heresies. So, why would it be good for the SSPX to no longer stand against the heresies of Vatican II and all of the Novus Ordo's falseness? Why not join the Protestants? Oh wait, they shall because everyone is a brother in NewChurch. Everyont that is but the person who hold true to the teachings of the Pontiffs from Peter to Pius XII.
    And, about Bishop Williamson, those wolves at Fisheaters  and Angelqueen have turned to feed on someone that I believe to be one of the best things the SSPX has going for it. Even thinking if he is put in jail?
    This is sheer madness to me. There is no good that will come of them caving in and going as sheep to the slaughter to Benedict. What muddled minds everyone seems to have. Diabolical Disorientation indeed.

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    « Reply #3 on: January 22, 2009, 01:13:09 PM »
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  • Why would one wnat to be reconciled to a schismatical apostate sect?
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    « Reply #4 on: January 22, 2009, 01:30:51 PM »
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  • Catholic News Agency (CNA) is now reporting:


    Vatican City, Jan 22, 2009 / 10:18 am (CNA).- Andrea Tornielli, the Vatican expert of the Italian daily "Il Giornale" announced today that Pope Benedict XVI has decided to revoke the decree of excommunication of the four bishops consecrated by French Bishop Marcel Lefebvre in 1988, creating a schism in the Catholic Church.

    The suspension of the excommunication of the bishops has been making the rounds of several conservative blogs, mostly in Spanish, since Monday.

    Although the announcement of the declaration was expected for Wednesday or Thursday, a Vatican source confirmed to CNA that it will be made public on Friday via the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts, headed by Archbishop Francesco Coccopalmerio.

    This decree will mean, Tornielli explains, that "the superior of the Fraternity of Saint Pius X, Bernard Fellay, and the other three bishops, Alfonso de Gallareta, Tissier de Mallerais and Richard Williamson will no longer be excommunicated."

    According to Tornielli, who first suggested the move on his blog on Wednesday, the decision "has been maturing in the recent months," after Fellay sent a letter requesting Pope Benedict to revoke the act taken by Pope John Paul II following Lefebvre's decision to ordain the bishops.

    "It was then a schismatic act, since those consecrations were not legitimized by the Pontiff, justified by Lefebvre as a necessity for the survival of his Traditionalist community. A community that had accepted neither the post conciliar liturgical reform nor some decrees of the Second Vatican Council, all of them signed by Lefebvre himself, including the one on religious liberty," Tornielli writes.

    On January 20, the Traditionalists completed 1.7 million Rosaries as part of a campaign initiated by the four bishops during a pilgrimage to the Marian shrine of Lourdes on the occasion of the feast of Christ the King. The campaign was launched to "obtain from Our Lady the lifting of the decree of excommunication of 1988."

    The two consecrating bishops--Marcel Lefebvre and the Brazilian Antonio de Castro Mayer--and the four bishops of the Fraternity of St. Pius X were all excommunicated by Pope John Paul II. Both Lefebvre and Castro Mayer are deceased.




    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=14852

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    « Reply #5 on: January 22, 2009, 02:14:23 PM »
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  • I agree with Dawn that the stuff spewing forth on fisheaters and angelqueen by its members is spineless and sickening. The good bishop may be the first holy martyr of our era. He is the finest  bishop in the society.

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    « Reply #6 on: January 22, 2009, 02:40:22 PM »
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  • It looks like the "lifting of the Excommunications" is going to happen -- wow.

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    « Reply #7 on: January 22, 2009, 08:59:25 PM »
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  • What am I missing here? They went back hat in hand to Benidict, the same person who as Ratzinger lead the way in the Vatican Council that caused the good Archbishop Lefebvre to take the path he did to fight the heresies of Ratzinger. Now, all these years later Fellay caves and accepts the falsehoods of Vatican II and Ratzinger and that is a good thing?? God keep Bishop Williamson strong.


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    « Reply #8 on: January 24, 2009, 08:34:35 AM »
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  • http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/187930

    British bishop faces German probe for h0Ɩ0cαųst denial

    by: AFP Updated: 23/Jan/2009 17:26

    Richard Williamson: 'I believe there were no gas chambers... I think that 200,000 to 300,000 Jєωs perished in nαzι cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs but none of them by gas chambers.'



    BERLIN (AFP)---German prosecutors said Friday they had launched a probe against a controversial British bishop on suspicion of inciting racial hatred for comments he made about the h0Ɩ0cαųst on Swedish television.


    A spokesman for the public prosecutor's office in the southern city of Regensburg said it had opened an investigation against Richard Williamson, 68, for remarks he made in an interview broadcast this week.

    "I believe there were no gas chambers... I think that 200,000 to 300,000 Jєωs perished in nαzι cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs but none of them by gas chambers,"
    said Williamson during an interview with the SVT channel.

    "There was not one Jєω killed by the gas chambers. It was all lies, lies, lies!"

    Six million Jєωs were murdered by nαzι Germany during World War II including vast numbers by systematic extermination in gas chambers.

    This week, Pope Benedict XVI reportedly decided to cancel the excommunication of four bishops who were consecrated in 1998 by the conservative French bishop Marcel Lefebvre, including Williamson.

    The pope has already signed the decree lifting the excommunication, which will be made public later in the week, according to the Italian report Thursday which the Vatican neither confirmed nor denied.

    Lefebvre, who died in 1991, was excommunicated in 1988 by pope Jean Paul II for having consecrated the bishops in defiance of the Vatican's authority.

    Since assuming office in April 2005, Benedict has made great efforts to heal the schism with the more traditionalist Catholic movement.

    Lars-Goran Svensson, the Swedish programme's producer, said the interview had been pre-recorded in Germany last November and its airing at this time was "pure coincidence."

    http://www.ejpress.org/article/34062


    Bishop's h0Ɩ0cαųst remarks spark outrage, threaten Jєωιѕн-Vatican ties

    By The Associated Press



    The Vatican's relations with Jєωs risked a new crisis Friday after an excommunicated British bishop - reportedly in line for rehabilitation - said that historical evidence "is hugely against 6 million Jєωs having been deliberately gassed" during World War II.

    Two Italian newspapers reported Thursday that Pope Benedict XVI planned to lift the excommunication of Richard Williamson and three other bishops punished for having been consecrated without papal consent 20 years ago by the late French conservative Archbishop Marcel Lefevbre.

    The Vatican declined to comment on the reports, but Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi suggested Friday that such a decree would be made public soon.


    Rome's chief rabbi asked the Vatican to halt the reported rehabilitation.

    Rabbi Ricardo Di Segni said it is "inconceivable" the pope didn't know Williamson's views.

    The International Jєωιѕн Committee for Interreligious Consulation also urged that the excommunications of all four ? and especially Williamson ? not be lifted, saying they were all opposed to pursuing relations with Jєωs, Protestants and Muslims.

    Vatican-Jєωιѕн relations have been already strained by Jєωιѕн criticism of World War II Pope Pius XII, accused by some of not speaking out in a bid to head off the h0Ɩ0cαųst. Israeli officials recently took offense when a senior cardinal said Gaza under the Israeli offensive seemed like a "big cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ."

    Williamson made his comments in an interview with Swedish state TV while in Germany in November; the broadcast was aired Wednesday night.

    He said the nαzιs did not use gas chambers.

    "I believe that the historical evidence ... is hugely against 6 million Jєωs having been deliberately gassed in gas chambers as a deliberate policy of Adolf Hitler," he said.

    He cited what he called the "most serious" revisionists who he said had concluded that "between 200,000-300,000 perished in nαzι cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs, but not one of them by gassing in a gas chamber."

    Vatican officials declined Friday to comment on his remarks.

    Lefebvre rebelled against the Vatican's modernizing reforms of the 1960s, which included reaching out to other religions and replacing Latin with local languages at Mass.

    Benedict has already made a concession to Lefebvre's traditionalist Society of St. Pius X in the hope of bringing it back into the Church by making the old Latin Mass more readily available. Lifting the excommunications would satisfy another key demand of the group.

    Williamson's remarks could bring him legal problems in Germany. State prosecutors in Regensburg opened a preliminary investigation about whether he broke German laws against h0Ɩ0cαųst denial

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1058236.html

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