Author Topic: Watch out for this heavy hitter for the Catholic faith (Read 2056 times)

copticruiser · « **on:** December 09, 2011, 02:40:13 AM »

Here are a few of my favourite links. This guy is hilarious them poor modernist I know from experience cant deal with this guy. All the trads love em and including me are addicted to all his short video clips and I have ordered WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION and THE ROCKERFELLOW FOUNDADION which are longer in depth dvds. I really enjoyed the first. I want to order THE INQUISITION and get a better handle on how to answer some of those hard questions about THE BAD CATHOLICS. This michael voris spends alot of time researching and he always sends a cd with his dvd to give information resources which usually run him 500hrs or so. Below are some of my favorite clips you can be added to his email list and get them everyday or every other day. His website is

Realcatholictv.com :tv-disturbed:

http://www.realcatholictv.com/daily/?today=2011-11-15

p.s I would send more of my fav but my comp is very slow here are some of the names that Ive watched and enjoyed so far:

we are not alone
wakey wakey
its not ok, okay
signs of hope
law of life
thats not in the script
its a war
with my own eyes
sunlight
defending traditon
contraception deception
new missal

Enjoy! I sure did Annie

Sunbeam · « **Reply #1 on:** December 10, 2011, 07:37:08 PM »

Watch out for this alternative assessment of "the heavy hitter":-

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

s2srea · « **Reply #2 on:** December 11, 2011, 06:45:40 AM »

Quote from: Sunbeam

Watch out for this alternative assessment of "the heavy hitter":-

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

A MHFM wanna be. Tell him to buy monk vestments and act more like an arse and he'll be a true monk like mike and pete dimond!

Sunbeam · « **Reply #3 on:** December 11, 2011, 10:59:05 AM »

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A MHFM wanna be. Tell him to buy monk vestments and act more like an arse and he'll be a true monk like mike and pete dimond!

= Ad hominem fallacy!

s2srea,

Why can’t you address the argument that is actually presented in the videos?

s2srea · « **Reply #4 on:** December 11, 2011, 11:01:44 AM »

Because this will turn into every other 'Crisis in the Church' subforum thread :wink:

Sunbeam · « **Reply #5 on:** December 11, 2011, 11:55:47 AM »

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Because this will turn into every other 'Crisis in the Church' subforum thread.

= Smokescreen.

s2srea,

The specific topic addressed by the videos is “The role of Michael Voris in the Vatican 2 church”.

This is not a topic addressed by “every other ‘Crisis in the Church’ subforum thread”, but your evasions suggest to me that it is one that YOU don’t want to see aired.

copticruiser · « **Reply #6 on:** December 12, 2011, 02:05:29 AM »

ok very confused here! I have very sloooow internet so could not watch the u tube clips IS MICHAEL VORIS not traditional? He definetly is not a Sedecaventist! He has really powerful thought provoking clips and so far I havent found anything wrong with them. I have watched I admit only about a doz plus 2 full length DVD's.

If you could point form let me know what is not Catholic about michael voris I would appreciate it.

Thanks

GertrudetheGreat · « **Reply #7 on:** December 12, 2011, 02:18:28 AM »

I reckon Vorus is pretty good. He isn't a trad as such, but I like his approach, he's clear, and I think he has the Faith.

Hopefully he can make the full journey soon and he can be recommended without qualification.

Stubborn · « **Reply #8 on:** December 12, 2011, 05:24:12 AM »

The problem with MV is that, as a Novus Ordo supporter, he supports the very lies and falsehoods that he "exposes". IOW, he exposes modernism in the Church while at the same time he supports modernism via his participation at the NOM - this makes for a strange combination no?

As such, he reports on (mostly) +40 year old happenings and offers no solutions - - - - - as a NO supporter, he probably would not like the solutions which is probably why he rarely offers any.

No heavy hitter, just another neocath who needs to accept that as a NOer, he is part of the problem.

Sunbeam · « **Reply #9 on:** December 12, 2011, 07:24:56 AM »

copticruiser said:

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If you could point form [sic] let me know what is not Catholic about michael voris I would appreciate it.

For your answer, watch Joe Hargrave’s critique in his three videos mentioned above, starting with

GertrudetheGreat said:

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Hopefully he can make the full journey soon and he can be recommended without qualification.

Joe Hargrave seems to cherish the same hope, and charitably recommends that prayers be said for Michael Voris.

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #10 on:** December 12, 2011, 09:01:17 AM »

Voris comes out with good things, but other times I really object to some of his material.

One example:

http://www.speroforum.com/a/41124/Michael-Voris-and-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ-victim-souls

I also hope Voris can make the full journey soon and can be recommended without qualification.

Sunbeam · « **Reply #11 on:** December 12, 2011, 11:22:01 AM »

copticruiser
You asked to be informed “what is not Catholic about Michael Voris”, and I directed you to Joe Hargrave’s videos, but I overlooked your stated difficulty in watching videos because of a slow Internet connection. I apologise for missing that point.

If you can receive only the audio, that would be sufficient for you to understand the argument that Joe Hargrave is making.

My understanding of his argument is, in a nutshell, like this:

Michael Voris recognises that there is a crisis in the Church, but fails to understand the source of the crisis.
For example, he rails against “ecuмenism”, because he rightly points out that it is not Catholic, but, at the same time, he fails to understand that that same “ecuмenism” is being promoted from the very top, ie: previously from John Paul II, and now from Benedict XVI.
This mismatch is either through ignorance on the part of Voris (in which case he shows himself to be a fool), or it is with knowledge of the facts (in which case Voris is a knave).
Either way, Voris serves as a lightning conductor, to attract the attention of traditional Catholics and then to divert their criticism away from where it should properly be directed.

I hope that helps to explain what this is about.

PartyIsOver221 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 16, 2011, 04:08:08 AM »

Quote from: Sunbeam

copticruiser
You asked to be informed “what is not Catholic about Michael Voris”, and I directed you to Joe Hargrave’s videos, but I overlooked your stated difficulty in watching videos because of a slow Internet connection. I apologise for missing that point.

If you can receive only the audio, that would be sufficient for you to understand the argument that Joe Hargrave is making.

My understanding of his argument is, in a nutshell, like this:

Michael Voris recognises that there is a crisis in the Church, but fails to understand the source of the crisis.
For example, he rails against “ecuмenism”, because he rightly points out that it is not Catholic, but, at the same time, he fails to understand that that same “ecuмenism” is being promoted from the very top, ie: previously from John Paul II, and now from Benedict XVI.
This mismatch is either through ignorance on the part of Voris (in which case he shows himself to be a fool), or it is with knowledge of the facts (in which case Voris is a knave).
Either way, Voris serves as a lightning conductor, to attract the attention of traditional Catholics and then to divert their criticism away from where it should properly be directed.

I hope that helps to explain what this is about.

+100

Sunbeam got it on the head of the nail here.

GertrudetheGreat · « **Reply #13 on:** December 16, 2011, 10:10:42 PM »

Quote from: Sunbeam

This mismatch is either through ignorance on the part of Voris (in which case he shows himself to be a fool), or it is with knowledge of the facts (in which case Voris is a knave).
Either way, Voris serves as a lightning conductor, to attract the attention of traditional Catholics and then to divert their criticism away from where it should properly be directed.

Sunbeam, he strikes me as somebody of good will, with the faith, but ignorant. Typical of Novus conservatives.

I have only seen four or five of his videos so I don't know if he attacks traditional Catholics, but that would be a clearer sign of bad will, although of course not conclusive. I liked the videos I saw. I liked his clarity of expression, his moderation, and the professionalism of the whole thing. Of course his style is typically "modern media" and I dislike that, but that's his cultural background and his professional training and experience showing.

I don't think we should be calling people like this either knaves or fools. Why not just say what can be said for them, and correct what needs to be corrected?

Sunbeam · « **Reply #14 on:** December 17, 2011, 04:41:34 PM »

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I don't think we should be calling people like this either knaves or fools. Why not just say what can be said for them, and correct what needs to be corrected?

GTG,

"What can be said for" Michael Voris is covered in Joe Hargrave’s analysis of the fundamental role played by Voris in the Vatican 2 sect, where he (JH) says something like this:
“EITHER
(a) Voris knows nothing about what the Conciliar antipopes teach, in which case he is making a complete and total fool of himself,
OR
(b) if he does know, he is most likely to be a paid operative of the Vatican, or of a conservative sect within the Conciliar church.”

So, in my precis of Joe Hargrave’s analysis, I adopted the terms “knave” and “fool” as a shorthand way of expressing these two alternatives.

If the analysis is correct, then, until there is evidence to the contrary, it seems better to think that the truth lies at (a).