Author Topic: Was Vatican II Infallible? (Read 5474 times)

Jehanne · « **Reply #60 on:** December 12, 2009, 10:06:25 AM »

Quote from: kamalayka

I'm going to be baptized in a few months, not by heretics, but in the true church which is full communion with Rome.

Wow, this shows your very limited understanding of Catholicism. When you are baptized, even by heretics, you are baptized into the one true Church! There is one and only one Church. I am glad to hear you say this. We are in communion with the eternal Rome and not the Rome of heretics and modernists, who would object to you even using that word.

kamalayka · « **Reply #61 on:** December 12, 2009, 12:19:05 PM »

Sorry. I'm going to post one last time.

I know that baptism is valid even if done by heretics.

If you read my signature, I even use this point to defend the V2 teaching that there are elements of sanctification and truth outside of the visible institution of the Church.

I was simply saying that I would not be baptized by someone who holds to a heretical doctrine. (I never meant to imply that it would not be valid, though).

Ok. This is my last post for real.

CM · « **Reply #62 on:** December 12, 2009, 03:48:14 PM »

Quote from: Jehanne

When you are baptized, even by heretics, you are baptized into the one true Church!

You have to be more specific than that. If you are baptized by heretics and believe as they do, you are certainly NOT in the one true Church of the one true God.

If you are baptized by them because of necessity and you hold the Catholic Faith, then obviously you are Catholic.

If you are baptized by them and are an infant, then you are a Catholic until such a time as you have reached sufficient age of reason to be accountable to the Divine Law and still recognize their sect as the correct one, or at the very least have not yet professed the Catholic Faith and subjection to the Roman Pontiff.

Jehanne · « **Reply #63 on:** December 12, 2009, 04:12:31 PM »

Quote from: kamalayka

If you read my signature, I even use this point to defend the V2 teaching that there are elements of sanctification and truth outside of the visible institution of the Church.

No one has ever claimed otherwise. What we are claiming is that there is no salvation outside the Mystical Body of Jesus Christ, which is the Roman Catholic Church.

Jehanne · « **Reply #64 on:** December 12, 2009, 04:14:15 PM »

Quote from: CM

Quote from: Jehanne
When you are baptized, even by heretics, you are baptized into the one true Church!

You have to be more specific than that. If you are baptized by heretics and believe as they do, you are certainly NOT in the one true Church of the one true God.

If you are baptized by them because of necessity and you hold the Catholic Faith, then obviously you are Catholic.

If you are baptized by them and are an infant, then you are a Catholic until such a time as you have reached sufficient age of reason to be accountable to the Divine Law and still recognize their sect as the correct one, or at the very least have not yet professed the Catholic Faith and subjection to the Roman Pontiff.

Agreed. A valid baptism is not always a fruitful baptism.