Author Topic: Was Vatican II Infallible? (Read 5446 times)

Belloc · « **Reply #55 on:** December 11, 2009, 01:25:23 PM »

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Where is the story that describe you?

why, should I write a book??

Belloc · « **Reply #56 on:** December 11, 2009, 01:27:09 PM »

Quote from: Belloc

Quote from: kamalayka
Where is the story that describe you?

why, should I write a book??

also, you are deflecting-defend V2 or not.....my story is that you and "Thomas" are like twins.....had to check your posts twice to make sure yo uare not he.and bleeive me, you are not.......

deflection sir, stick to the points raised about V2.....

kamalayka · « **Reply #57 on:** December 11, 2009, 10:52:06 PM »

You or I have no authority to determine whether a council is legit or if a pope is a legit pope.

Unless there is sufficient evidence to say otherwise, Benedict XVI is the real pope.

If a large amount of evidence surfaces, he would be asked to step down.

If he refused, they would simply ignore him and elect a new pope.

The apostolic succession didn't just magically disappear in the mid 1960s.

Your INTERPRETATION of certain doctrines has been proven false by Vatican 2.

Unless your are the pope (and I thank God you'll never be), you have no right to make any claims.

All you do is cause scandal with your heresy.

IF it is determined by a future pope that V2 was, in fact heretical, then so be it.

But until then, we have no right to judge it.

The burden of teaching and being shepherd rests on the pope, bishops, and priests.

If they somehow called a false council, only THEY will be held accountable, not the people who are being obedient.

This is why Scripture says, "not many should desire to become teachers, because they face a more strict judgment."

kamalayka · « **Reply #58 on:** December 11, 2009, 10:54:01 PM »

I'm going to be baptized in a few months, not by heretics, but in the true church which is full communion with Rome.

This is going to be my last post, because I have more important things to do.

(And besides, internet forums tend to make people angry.)

Raoul76 · « **Reply #59 on:** December 12, 2009, 12:45:43 AM »

Jamie said:

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Sedevacantism is cowardice - it is men who are too afraid to deal with the real situation so they pretend it isn't happening.

This is exceedingly rich in irony. Yeah, sedevacantists love the barren loneliness of their situation. I can't wait to get up in the morning every day and face yet another sickening round of lies, and of knowing that the entire world is deceived by demonic charlatans. It just makes my sojourn on Earth so pleasant!

I'm being sarcastic of course. I spent my Friday night trying to stave off a panic attack as the full scale of the desolation we are witnessing hit me, knowing that I really have no one to trust. And the more and more people like you that bury your head in the sand, Jamie, leave people like me more and more isolated. "When the Son of Man returns to Earth, will he find faith?"

We are ALL responsible before God for dealing with this crisis in the correct way. Every time I go out I think about this. I see the hordes of people, the endless streams of them, and I realize that each of them will be judged for not having defended the Church when She was down. Every one of them should be concerned, should be horrified, should be outraged. Yet they just keep blundering about.

Meanwhile, you can play make-believe in the make-believe Church and pretend what's happening isn't really happening. You can go to "theology school" while I am cut off from what I am born to do.

The "real" situation, my man, is that Satan wants to take everyone to hell, his children -- the unconverted Jews -- plotted to take over the Church, they have done so through Modernist theologians and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs and Freemasons, and there is no connection between the true bride of Christ and the impostor sitting in Rome.

Ask yourself this: When and if the Church is restored, will the Magisterium of the Popes since Pius XII be kept, or will it be thrown out? Because the Magisterium cannot fail or falter in any way. Don't tell me that Vatican II is only "pastoral," either, that is more double-minded horsehocky:

( a ) Lumen Gentium is subtitled "Dogmatic Constitution on the Church"

( b ) In it we are told we must be conformably with the "mind and will" of the "pontiff."

( c ) There is no such thing as a "pastoral" council. You can't teach and not teach at the same time; speak and not speak at the same time. You can't be a Pope who publishes torrents of mind-altering un-Catholic "instruction" and then say "Just kidding." You can't issue encyclicals ( or invalid new Masses ) that you enforce with an iron rod and then say "These were never binding." Have you not seen how Ratzinger pretends to lament the Council, while keeping its docuмents in place as instruction for the laity?

The very idea of a "pastoral" council shows that these men are not Catholic and are just making up their own rules as they go along. Since when was it optional to believe anything the Church has officially taught? How can anyone go along with such shameless lies?

( d ) The Magisterium consists of the Pope's speeches and writings, pastoral or not.

( e ) Pius XII taught heresy BEFORE the "pastoral" council which was only elaborated in Humane Vitae.