Author Topic: Was Vatican II Infallible? (Read 5462 times)

CM · « **Reply #10 on:** December 10, 2009, 03:35:48 AM »

Quote from: Jamie

This certainly demonstrates the need for the Popes to speak so often and so vehemently against modernism - it really was everywhere.

Indeed it was, and still is. And Benedict XV was one of its greatest defenders.

Jamie · « **Reply #11 on:** December 10, 2009, 03:50:56 AM »

Quote from: CM

Quote from: Jamie
This certainly demonstrates the need for the Popes to speak so often and so vehemently against modernism - it really was everywhere.

Indeed it was, and still is. And Benedict XV was one of its greatest defenders.

Well sadly yes, Pope Benedict was certainly a part of the New Theology movement. We can but pray that God will open some hearts in the Vatican to the pleas of the SSPX in the current doctrinal talks.

Jehanne · « **Reply #12 on:** December 10, 2009, 06:39:23 AM »

Quote from: kamalayka

Well, the Syllabus of Errors is not infallible because they were not addressed to the whole church.

This is false. If Pope Pius IX did not address the Syllabus to the whole Church, to whom did he address it to? The Church's teaching on religious liberty (or not) goes back centuries. Consider this:

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo10/l10exdom.htm

Condemned Error 33. That heretics be burned is against the will of the Spirit.

Now compare it to Dignitatis Humanae. Okay, we can play word games until we are blue in the face. Go ahead, I have better things to do with my time. It is clear to me, however, that Dignitatis Humanae was not part of the Ordinary Magisterium of the Catholic Church, and that Pope Paul VI was a heretic to sign it. So, there are two alternatives: Pope Benedict is an anti-Pope or he is the Pope in virtue of his office, but still a heretic, albeit, an undeclared one. Only the One and Triune God knows for sure.

TheD · « **Reply #13 on:** December 10, 2009, 09:07:18 AM »

kamalayka · « **Reply #14 on:** December 10, 2009, 10:55:11 AM »

There really is no way to know who is is is not in the Church.

If you are so sure of yourself, I want you to walk up to a Protestant and tell him that he is condemned to hell.
(Even though Jesus said we are unable to condemn anybody. Even HE didn't. But hey, I guess you're God or something).

The only people who disagree are those who are extremely worldly-minded and materialistic.

If you were a Pharisee during the time of Christ, and if Christ healed someone on the Sabbath, would you yell at Him as well???

If you were one of the Pharisees who brought the woman caught in adultery to Jesus, and you heard Jesus' reply, would you consider HIM a heretic?

If you were standing at the foot of the Cross, and you heard him telling the criminal next to Him that he will be saved, would you attempt to "correct" Jesus??

Pope Benedict XVI is by far a smarter theologian than you or I will ever be (at least I can admit it).