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Offline Charlemagne

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Was This Promulgated Heresy?
« on: May 09, 2013, 02:59:52 PM »
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  • I've heard often from neo-trads that there has never been heresy "officially" promulgated since VII. What I mean is, there's supposedly never been anything promulgated that must be held by the Faithful or anything promulgated as an official prayer of the "Church." However, I've been thinking recently about the change Paul VI made to the Good Friday prayer regarding the Jєωs, which stated, "...that they may continue to grow in the love of his name and in faithfulness to his covenant." By having the "Church" offer this as part of Her official prayer, is this not offering a heretical prayer to God? It's not the same as a pope mentioning something in passing and thus not qualifying as official teaching.

    What am I missing, if anything? I'm truly confused on this point and would appreciate any clarification or enlightenment. Many thanks.
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine


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    Was This Promulgated Heresy?
    « Reply #1 on: May 09, 2013, 04:41:27 PM »
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  • The Holy Church, in it's official prayers, praying that the haters of Christ would continue hating and that this was pleasing to God?  And that Christ is pleased that the Church He built on the Rock of Peter is now preaching this?  

    Paul VI - is there any chance that we are just "misunderstanding" him?  

    Or is it massive shock that such atrocities were going on in broad daylight and everyone sat around saying "duh".

    Then there is the mystery of how each pope followed in Paul VI's footsteps.

    What can we say right?  Vatican II must have been the birth of a the Montinian Church?  Luther started the Lutheran Church - Monitni started the Montinian Church.



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    Was This Promulgated Heresy?
    « Reply #2 on: May 10, 2013, 12:51:02 PM »
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  • Quote from: Charlemagne
    I've heard often from neo-trads that there has never been heresy "officially" promulgated since VII. What I mean is, there's supposedly never been anything promulgated that must be held by the Faithful or anything promulgated as an official prayer of the "Church." However, I've been thinking recently about the change Paul VI made to the Good Friday prayer regarding the Jєωs, which stated, "...that they may continue to grow in the love of his name and in faithfulness to his covenant." By having the "Church" offer this as part of Her official prayer, is this not offering a heretical prayer to God? It's not the same as a pope mentioning something in passing and thus not qualifying as official teaching.

    What am I missing, if anything? I'm truly confused on this point and would appreciate any clarification or enlightenment. Many thanks.


    There was no capital in "his"?

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    Was This Promulgated Heresy?
    « Reply #3 on: May 10, 2013, 12:52:13 PM »
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  • Paul VI was most likely a ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic infiltrator.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #4 on: May 10, 2013, 04:34:47 PM »
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  • Paul VI them known as Bishop Montini designed the gravestone of his own
    Mother that depicts masonic symbols. There is a thread on this on CI.


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    « Reply #5 on: May 11, 2013, 12:00:19 AM »
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  • The Image crafted by Monsignor Montini on the tombstone of his Mother.

    It is certainly not a Catholic Image.

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    « Reply #6 on: May 11, 2013, 12:19:50 AM »
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  • Paul VI was a KNOWN ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ.

    Please read.

    http://chiesaviva.com/paoloVI%20beatoin.pdf
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #7 on: May 11, 2013, 07:00:26 AM »
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  • Quote from: Charlemagne
    I've heard often from neo-trads that there has never been heresy "officially" promulgated since VII. What I mean is, there's supposedly never been anything promulgated that must be held by the Faithful or anything promulgated as an official prayer of the "Church." However, I've been thinking recently about the change Paul VI made to the Good Friday prayer regarding the Jєωs, which stated, "...that they may continue to grow in the love of his name and in faithfulness to his covenant." By having the "Church" offer this as part of Her official prayer, is this not offering a heretical prayer to God? It's not the same as a pope mentioning something in passing and thus not qualifying as official teaching.

    What am I missing, if anything? I'm truly confused on this point and would appreciate any clarification or enlightenment. Many thanks.


    Of Course the neo-trads claim that there has never been heresy "officially" promulgated since Vatican II.  Just because they say that doesn't make it true.

    Though, to demonstrate their side of the story, this prayer is a part of the Novus Ordo and, as strange as it may sound, a credible case can be made that the Novus Ordo itself was never actually promulgated.  The only docuмent from the Vatican that actually publicizes the Novus Ordo is Missale Romanum of Paul 6.  In that docuмent, Paul 6 does not appear to actually promulgate the new mass.  He commands only two things:  That the new missal be published and that the "words of the Lord" (i.e., at the Last Supper) be the same in all of the various "Eucharistic Prayers" that the Novus Ordo has.

    While, in retrospect of what actually happened and all of the real suppressions that occurred over the years, the case is weak, it is still credible and this is why the non-sedevacantist cannot, for that reason alone, be  considered outside the Church.