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Re: Was the Denzinger tampered with?
« Reply #40 on: August 26, 2021, 09:16:25 PM »
Making an assumption of what I have looked into isn’t an indication of a person interested in discovering raw facts, but someone more concerned with propagandistic dissemination.

Are you an alternative profile of cassini? Because that would explain your NASA question and deflection into an off topic issue.
Cassini? Goodness no.  :laugh1:
But it wasn’t a deflection, it was an observation to your use of the terms, ‘professionals, academics and scholars’. As if only they have credible information. 
Those who normally believe anything coming from NASA typically speak this way. If I am mistaken though I do apologize. 

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Re: Was the Denzinger tampered with?
« Reply #41 on: August 27, 2021, 07:43:42 AM »
I verified a substantial part of the statements on http://realdouayrheims.com/ .

Several translation examples show that the modus Lutherus (Christ systematically removed) indeed is used (as verified on drbo.org). Two quotes from 1909 Catholic Encyclopedia are correct. I didn't find anything inapplicable or unfounded.

Also, they correctly quote Cardinal Newman. He says that Challoner is "in the direction of the Protestant version", that Haydock uses Irish Dr. Troy version, commented by Newman: "we doubt whether he is further from the Protestant version than Dr. Challoner."


US$60 for a PDF (AT plus NT plus Douay Catechism of 1649) is not nothing. But probably I'll invest the dollars. Why? Beside the translation, original commentary.

It's good that you verified the statements from the article that Carissima posted.

To just further add a comment or two about that article - it says that of the twenty-one times that the name of Christ appears in the REAL Douay Old Testament, the name of Christ has been taken out of the Challoner and Haydock Old Testament thirteen times. The word "annointed" is substituted for the name of Christ. Five examples of this are provided about halfway down the article page.

The real English translation (from the 1500's if I recall correctly) of the Douay was never allowed into England after the Reformation,  so Challoner and then Haydock undertook to make a translation for the English-speaking world, but it wasn't always correct. We English-speakers don't have a choice - we only have the Challoner or Haydock version.

I too might buy the version (supposedly from the original Douay) sold on that website. It may be a good investment.


Re: Was the Denzinger tampered with?
« Reply #42 on: August 27, 2021, 08:21:46 AM »
The original Douay-Rheims Bible in old English is available on archive.org:

1610 A.D. Douay Old Testament, 1582 A.D. Rheims New Testament

Scroll down for download links (PDF, PDF with text, ...)

Offline Meg

Re: Was the Denzinger tampered with?
« Reply #43 on: August 27, 2021, 08:38:38 AM »
The original Douay-Rheims Bible in old English is available on archive.org:

1610 A.D. Douay Old Testament, 1582 A.D. Rheims New Testament

Scroll down for download links (PDF, PDF with text, ...)

Thank You!

Re: Was the Denzinger tampered with?
« Reply #44 on: August 27, 2021, 11:52:43 AM »
It's good that you verified the statements from the article that Carissima posted.

To just further add a comment or two about that article - it says that of the twenty-one times that the name of Christ appears in the REAL Douay Old Testament, the name of Christ has been taken out of the Challoner and Haydock Old Testament thirteen times. The word "annointed" is substituted for the name of Christ. Five examples of this are provided about halfway down the article page.

The real English translation (from the 1500's if I recall correctly) of the Douay was never allowed into England after the Reformation,  so Challoner and then Haydock undertook to make a translation for the English-speaking world, but it wasn't always correct. We English-speakers don't have a choice - we only have the Challoner or Haydock version.

I too might buy the version (supposedly from the original Douay) sold on that website. It may be a good investment.
Those versions are the issue I believe. And there are more problematic issues with those versions I’ve found in my research that are not covered on that webpage, but I don’t have the references available at the moment, possibly at a later time